Should we manipulate children?

[John Paul]

For the benefit of humanity as a whole: should we manipulate children? For what reason would it be beneficial to the human race as a whole to manipulate a child?

[Thought Art]

@John Paul Examples?

[John Paul]

@Thought Art Any manipulation, any scenario

 

A manipulation meaning trying to convince (the kid) to change what they would have done naturally.

[Thought Art]

@John Paul Because kids are dumb 

[John Paul]

@Thought Art how does manipulating dumb kids help the human race?

[Thought Art]

@John Paul Because if you don’t:

1. Educate 

2. Indoctrinate

3. Teach

4. Correct

your kids, they end up fucking up society. If a kid is “manipulated” in ideally healthy ways they end up useless morons who can’t read, or contribute to society. Obviously there’s a balancing act there for kids. How much do you manipulate? How much do you allow it to flourish in its own unique way? 

[John Paul]

@Thought Art

how will they fuck it up?

what is an ideally healthy way? 
 

how much would you think to manipulate? Versus flourish 

[Thought Art]

@John Paul idk man, go buy a book on child studies 

[John Paul]

Just now, Thought Art said:

@John Paul idk man, go buy a book on child studies 

If I wanted to buy a book on child studies I would have done that instead of posting in this forum.

[Thought Art]

@John Paul Others will reply perhaps. List out a few answers to your own questions. There got to be at least a few examples you can think of… like eating ice cream and cake for breakfast? 
 

The reason I say to read some books is simply due to the information density I am intuiting on a reasonable response to them. There’s already this finely written out you don’t need some asshole on a forum doing it.

[John Paul]

2 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@John Paul Others will reply perhaps. List out a few answers to your own questions. There got to be at least a few examples you can think of… like eating ice cream and cake for breakfast? 
 

The reason I say to read some books is simply due to the information density I am intuiting on a reasonable response to them. There’s already this finely written out you don’t need some asshole on a forum doing it.

No because I’m hinting at not manipulating at all. No parenting book does that. 
yeah let em eat cake for breakfast… so what. Does forcing them to eat vegetables help humanity at large?

[Thought Art]

@John Paul I mean, like I said these things are complicated and to really look at them from a critical thinking point of view I would have to take some of these questions and do a lot of self reflection on my biases and assumptions, then I’d have to collect some data and do some research etc. 
 

but, My surface intuitive response is that a child is not an expert in their own development. A child needs guidance because he knows very little about the world. 
 

Can you think back to something that you didn’t want to do as a kid, but are glad your parents made you do it? Or something your parents tried to make you do that you didn’t that you now regret?

[John Paul]

@Thought Art me personally, no. But I don’t have a healthy parent-child relationship with either of my parents so I might not be the best person to ask.

[Thought Art]

@John Paul Interesting. Some parents aren’t that developed themselves and are port parents. There’s many factors at play in what we are discussing I hope you can see it.

[John Paul]

3 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@John Paul Interesting. Some parents aren’t that developed themselves and are port parents. There’s many factors at play in what we are discussing I hope you can see it.

Yes, I can see it. That’s why I’m posting  

and yes… parents all over the world are not “developed”

[Thought Art]

@John Paul Sorry if I seemed jerk like here. I’m still working on my communication. Till later

[Thought Art]

@John Paul Is becoming a good parent something of interest to you?

[John Paul]

@Thought Art yes. But also this question is much deeper.

[Thought Art]

@John Paul I’d like to understand you better 

[Carl-Richard]

Yes.