Should we manipulate children?

[John Paul]

Just now, Twentyfirst said:

true influence is more subtle than that

they walk away from the interaction without the slightest clue that the influence even took place and maybe years later they realize it

Like what?

[John Paul]

@Twentyfirst how is you “swaying” me helping the human race as a whole?

[John Paul]

@Twentyfirst “It’s hard to say” is not really an answer

[John Paul]

@Twentyfirst thanks.

im not really looking for an answer. I’m trying to “influence” you.

[Thought Art]

11 hours ago, John Paul said:

@Thought Art how does that list of stuff that you are saying we should manipulate kids into doing help the human race at large?

That’s wasn’t a list of manipulations. 
 

Kids who grow up being treated with the 5A’ don’t grow up traumatized. You can extrapolate yourself. 
 

last reply

I think I feel annoyed because you only ask question without really adding your own insight. It’s like your asking me to do all the work. Feels one sided. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by Thought Art

[Carl-Richard]

12 hours ago, John Paul said:

@Carl-Richard okay. How can a technique cause someone to get developed? 

That's what learning is. You internalize some pattern. In this case, the child internalizes the patterns of the parent. This happens at all stages, from crib to adulthood. That is why active engagement is needed.

[Hatfort]

There's no a way around of manipulating children in the first place, it's a problem not to recognize that.

That doesn't mean we can't treat each child as a unique individual, we should do that, but at the same time offer some guidance from the experience only adults can offer. There are some good values like discipline, compassion, love, etc... Why not teach those?

[John Paul]

7 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

 

There's no a way around of manipulating children in the first place, it's a problem not to recognize that.

 

 

I’m asking why?

 

 @Carl-Richard learning is being on the receiving end of a technique?

 

 

[John Paul]

@Tahuti Answer the question I asked without saying anything about God

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, John Paul said:

learning is being on the receiving end of a technique?

What exactly are you doing here?

[John Paul]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

What exactly are you doing here?

Deconstructing intentions that appear to be more productive than they are 

 

in a hypocritical way

Edited December 5, 2022 by John Paul

[thepixelmonk]

Incredibly naive question. If you somehow achieve zero manipulation as a parent you have utterly and completely failed your child. Parenting is a huge responsibility and you need to be very actively engaged with their development. Otherwise you are just another one of the dime a dozen deadbeat parents out there.

[John Paul]

1 minute ago, thepixelmonk said:

Incredibly naive question. If you somehow achieve zero manipulation as a parent you have utterly and completely failed your child. Parenting is a huge responsibility and you need to be very actively engaged with their development. Otherwise you are just another one of the dime a dozen deadbeat parents out there.

Why? What do you need to manipulate them to do? How will that help society?

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, John Paul said:

Deconstructing intentions that appear to be more productive than they are 

 

in a hypocritical way

I think you're just wasting everybody's time.