"Tateism" vs Buddhism

[RedLine]

Is Andrew Tate the representation of what buddhism ethics tell you not to do and it leads you to suffer?

 

• Buddhism tells you accept present moment as it is. Andrew Tate tells you take absolute control and responsability over  your reality. It something goes wrong is your fault.
• Buddhism tells you the ego (power over others) is the source of evil. The driven of life of Andrw Tate is to achieve megalomaniacs levels of ego (power)

 

 

However, and here the paradox, he  doesn't seem to be sunk in suffering, as buddhism would predict, but it seems like it feels really good to be in his shoes. You can see him talk and move and notice his super energy, his very high self esteem and his proud of all his achievements, which I am sure make him feel wonderful inside.

 

According to buddhism, he should be deep in suffer because he does the opposite buddhism preaches, however it looks like he is much more happier than average person.

 

Is buddhism wrong then? 

Edited November 29, 2022 by RedLine

[Kksd74628]

@RedLine

How many buddhists suffer compared to stage orange success oriented people? Also why not combine good sides of both methods and play this life very skilled way while having spiritual background and daily practices? Key point: Don't try to join to the best team, but be friends with all of them to have all the benefits. Don't identify yourself as buddhist or achiever, but just do all the things that give you best results. Also how many stage orange business alpha men with ultimate inner suffering we needed to have one Andrew Tate?

[StarStruck]

Andrew Tate is a religious man. He serves god. He is not a slave of materialism. Doesn’t bend over backwards to feminism. Pleasure is for women. Work is for men. That is what he preaches with his masculinity rhetoric  

Tate is a perfect example of somebody who has mastered the reality principle (pain over pleasure) and thus he can enjoy life (pleasure principle: pleasure over suffering). 
You can only truly enjoy life if you serve the reality principle. Success, happiness and pleasure will ensure as certain as the laws of nature if you follow the reality principle  

He is a man of god. If he was a man of pleasure he would be somewhere in a mansion doing ungodly things and not seek public attention like he does. Or he would binge of DMT or something. He is a warrior of god. 

The reality and pleasure principle are polar opposites but they charge each other. In today’s era most people seek pleasure. Andrew is the archetype who will bring balance to these two principles. 

Edited November 29, 2022 by StarStruck

[Rob06]

It's two different domains. The one entails the domain of awakening to "higher" truths, the other entails the domain of survival.

[Rob06]

46 minutes ago, RedLine said:

However, and here the paradox, he  doesn't seem to be sunk in suffering, as buddhism would predict, but it seems like it feels really good to be in his shoes. You can see him talk and move and notice his super energy, his very high self esteem and his proud of all his achievements, which I am sure make him feel wonderful inside.

Yes, until shit hits the van for Andrew. For example, his dick is cut off, he loses another limb, or he is accused of whatever crime and ends up in jail...  (not accusing him of anything here). Then some Buddhist practice could be of help to good ole Tatymate

Edited November 29, 2022 by Rob06

[RedLine]

6 minutes ago, Rob06 said:

It's two different domains. The one entails the domain of awakening to "higher" truths, the other entails the domain of survival.

No. They are two ethics and they are opposed.

If you go to a buddhist and ask him what is the correct way to live a civilian life (not interested in elightment), he will tell you, don´t have much desire, drop ego impulses, accept reality how it is, etc. 

The fact is Tate does the opposite and he is good. You can be happy being a devil, which is disturbing. 

 

9 minutes ago, Rob06 said:

Yes, until shit hits the van for Andrew. For example, his dick is cut off, he loses another limb, or he is accused of whatever crime and ends up in jail...  (not accusing him of anything here). Then some Buddhist practice could be of help to good ole Tatymate

Acutally I am sure he would deal with that better than most of the "spiritual" people of the forum...

[Rob06]

43 minutes ago, RedLine said:

No. They are two ethics and they are opposed.

Yeah that's also a way to look at it. 

 

43 minutes ago, RedLine said:

Acutally I am sure he would deal with that better than most of the "spiritual" people of the forum...

The Tateian way to deal with it would probably be to toughen it out, which can work. A high level buddhist way maybe more like realizing that the pain and suffering that comes from it are illusionary. Depends on the depth of a Buddhists practice.

[Leo Gura]

Are you seriously comparing Tate's BS with Buddhism?

[Thought Art]

Tateim is the highest teaxhing

[Carl-Richard]

It makes little sense to compare non-dual schools to self-help schools. It mixes up relative and absolute statements. For example, you can say full surrender is how you take full control of your reality. Either statement is beside the point. They're pointing to direct experience.

Edited November 29, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[eos_nyxia]

In no particular order, if I was sorting through your thoughts as if I was you:

1. What makes you think that he is truly happy, as opposed to putting on a facade? Or that he is not simply experiencing the absence of pain due to suppression and consequent numbness? For example: if you took away all of his toys and put him alone in a room for a while... how long would it take for him to fall into pieces (and to be reduced to a childish stub of a person) due to being forced to be around himself and his own psyche?  And what would be left of him after this? 
2. IMO, even speaking moderately from personal experience as my upbringing was very harsh and emotionally suppressive in many ways: you can't have that kind of harsh, stitled tone when you talk all the time... and actually be capable of real happiness. And that tone is likely the result of someone who has taken all of his vulnerable, most childish emotions, thoughts, dreams, and impulses, and just CRUSHED it down into near-nothingness so he can "be a man". Happiness expresses itself in the body as being a sort of ease and expansive quality, generally. This can be seen in people's body language, and generally, it's very easy to spot in the way that people can usually tell a fake smile from a genuine smile.... what do you think?
3. There are multiple versions of "fierce" spirituality embodied well but this is not what it looks like, IMO. First and foremost: It FLOWS freely. It is not so stilted and tense.
4. This particular microcosm of the internet tends to really emphasize "absolute responsibility" over your reality more than other places. Perhaps it's the self-help bent? There are a ton of upsides to this stance, even in taking it to an extreme, but it's also a recipe for absolute misery for everything that you have somehow failed to address and account for. You can delay this with temporary copes, but eventually it comes back to you, like pulling a rubber band and it snapping against your wrist. And when it does, it hits hard. Even with the numbness. And guess what? It never ends. By definition, you cause yourself suffering in this way if you don't learn how to loosen your grip a bit.
5. In general, living in a state where one is taking a narrow, aggressive, goal-orientated focus is not actually that conducive for happiness. Because all there ever is... is "right now".  But it is conducive for bailing yourself out of situations and creating new ones, with the way that he is using it. In my experience, to be happy while also having goals and objectives is to embrace all the meaning and pleasure you take in your purpose... but RIGHT NOW. Not later. Now.
6. Actually, are you aware that Buddhism also advocates for total personal responsibility? (That this is what ends "karma", which is mainly really just referring to the cycle of entanglements in causes and effects?:) Hinduism (at least theoretically) operates on the same principle.

Edited November 29, 2022 by eos_nyxia

[Stovo]

Tate is completely wrapped up in self delusion and ego, why do you think he doesn't suffer? 

If you listen carefully to his videos you can sense a ton of fear and insecurity, for example he talks a lot about his fear that he will be murdered. 

Anxiety = suffering

[Osaid]

True non-attachment is found in physically destroying anything you might be attached to.  -Fifth Tenet of Tateism

 

[Carl-Richard]

@Osaid

[Tyler Robinson]

The reason he is so proud of himself is because that's his only security. 

Take anything away that he is proud of and he will start whining about it. 

Buddhism doesn't teach whining. 

 

[thisintegrated]

Isn't Tatism pretty much what Leo advocates for?  Exhausting stage Orange until you get bored of it?

[thepixelmonk]

3 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

Isn't Tatism pretty much what Leo advocates for?  Exhausting stage Orange until you get bored of it?

Tate is not a healthy example of exhausting stage orange.

[thisintegrated]

Just now, thepixelmonk said:

Tate is not a healthy example of exhausting stage orange.

Yes, cause he's Red-Orange.  To exhaust both he must exhausting Red too.

[thepixelmonk]

1 minute ago, thisintegrated said:

Yes, cause he's Red-Orange.  To exhaust both he must exhausting Red too.

At the end of the day you can extract nuggets of truth from anybody's content. Doesn't mean he should be the active recommendation. You can find better role models.

[thisintegrated]

11 minutes ago, thepixelmonk said:

At the end of the day you can extract nuggets of truth from anybody's content. Doesn't mean he should be the active recommendation. You can find better role models.

Of course.  Tate's an idiot.