How Your Fears Limit Your Intelligence

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, amanen said:

You can get into a state where you become conscious of the fact that only your direct experience exists and that other is not real.

I've had that realization with psychedelics, but later i came to the conclusion that what happened was that I was in an absolute state where the idea of "out" was completely inconceivable. it was the totality of existence, this mixed with the pov that I currently am, and I mistakenly perceived that my pov was the absolute. 

Anyway, i give credit to what you say, I think you are a true mystic who has gone deeper than almost anyone

Edited November 29, 2022 by Breakingthewall

[Razard86]

On 11/28/2022 at 7:04 PM, Breakingthewall said:

I've had that realization with psychedelics, but later i came to the conclusion that what happened was that I was in an absolute state where the idea of "out" was completely inconceivable. it was the totality of existence, this mixed with the pov that I currently am, and I mistakenly perceived that my pov was the absolute. 

Anyway, i give credit to what you say, I think you are a true mystic who has gone deeper than almost anyone

You want proof your POV is the absolute? You and every POV has never acted differently. Why do you think every POV believes it is true? Even when POV give away their authority they believe they are right. The secret is every POV believes its POV is absolutely true....because...it actually is. Your POV is the only one that exists....this is why the barrier of other is the hardest to accept. 

Your POV is absolute, and mine is too. We are ONE being pretending to be infinitely many POV, this optical illusion is possible because its all a mind. Also notice what I bolded in your quote...what proof do you have that assertion of yours is true? Your direct experience and how you interpret it has always been your proof.

Its why I keep trying to show people on this forum...no POV ever perfectly agrees. Why? Because every POV is absolutely true. THIS is the secret. Its only relative because it is interacting in relationship or context. Without that relationship or context...it becomes absolute. 

[Breakingthewall]

@Razard86

On 28/11/2022 at 11:54 PM, amanen said:

 

Yeah i get you,  but the point of the solipsism is not that. 

I have been thinking about it and I have come to the conclusion that the solipsism of leo, and of amanem, is a belief. they believe that the people they see walking down the street do not have a pov. They are empty images. I have another belief, that they have a pov, like mine. both are just beliefs, impossible to prove. you, razard, think that they do have a pov, from what you say, so you do not agree with the solipist belief 

Anyway, any belief is meaningless. The only thing that is sure is that i am, the other is not so important  

And i didn't give my authority to another person, i just said amanem: i respect you as someone who dig deep so, even i don't share you opinion i take it as a possibility 

Edited November 30, 2022 by Breakingthewall

[Razard86]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Razard86

Yeah i get you,  but the point of the solipsism is not that. 

I have been thinking about it and I have come to the conclusion that the solipsism of leo, and of amanem, is a belief. they believe that the people they see walking down the street do not have a pov. They are empty images. I have another belief, that they have a pov, like mine. both are just beliefs, impossible to prove. you, razard, think that they do have a pov, from what you say, so you do not agree with the solipist belief 

Anyway, any belief is meaningless. The only thing that is sure is that i am, the other is not so important  

And i didn't give my authority to another person, i just said amanem: i respect you as someone who dig deep so, even i don't share you opinion i take it as a possibility 

The moment you say someone is legitimate you give authority, you give authority by saying they are credible. That is giving authority. Its called giving trust. I'm not saying you gave all your authority but you did what was called delegation of authority.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

The moment you say someone is legitimate you give authority, you give authority by saying they are credible. That is giving authority. Its called giving trust. I'm not saying you gave all your authority but you did what was called delegation of authority.

Yeah , i gave some authority to many people in the relative. at the end, there are two fields: the relative and the absolute. the absolute is that I am, and nobody have authority about this, just me.

the relative thing is that razar can have a pov or not have a pov. Amanem says he doesn't have it, I would say yes... but I don't know. In that field, i give some authority to amanem, because it's something relative and impossible to know 

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah , i gave some authority to many people in the relative. at the end, there are two fields: the relative and the absolute. the absolute is that I am, and nobody have authority about this, just me.

the relative thing is that razar can have a pov or not have a pov. Amanem says he doesn't have it, I would say yes... but I don't know. In that field, i give some authority to amanem, because it's something relative and impossible to know 

True, but the secret is the relative is the illusion, the absolute is all there is. Your POV is absolute right now. As long as you believe an other has a POV...then it is true because you imagine it is true...because everything is your imagination. Even saying you cannot know...is something you are creating. How can you NOT know...when you are absolute?

Think about it? You can only know your self if you are all that is. You are the end all. You have never known anything outside your POV....and you never will. So Amanen and Razard can ONLY have a POV IF YOU SAY WE DO. NOT Knowing whether we have one...IS ALSO DETERMINED BY YOU. You are that which determines everything...because there is only you.

Edited November 30, 2022 by Razard86

[Alex_R]

On 11/28/2022 at 7:54 PM, amanen said:

You can get into a state where you become conscious of the fact that only your direct experience exists and that other is not real.

But if I exist and I am a pov the one who exist its only me, it is not you, you dont exist.