Jed McKenna Question

[Thought Art]

I appreciate you imaginary form members 

[Moksha]

18 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

I’ve heard it all before. There is no you. No universe according to Jed. The point is, all this sounds like bullshit belief and hearsay. Not to be rude, it’s just none of this read and anyone tells me is true. 
 

If it’s just consciousness then, what universe is there? There isn’t one. My direct experience therefore is everything Now. 
 

what you say makes sense and has truth to it. But, it’s not the answer I’m looking for. I want to KNOW. I’ve had awakenings. But, I have more questions still. 

I feel this is why Neo-Advaita teachings ring hollow for many of us. Platitudes about there being no you sound mysterious and wise, but are they useful? Each being is worthy of honor. You are unique and even holy, because of who inhabits you. There will never be another personality identical to yours, and the spiritual journey of Self-discovery through the lens of your personality is entirely special and your own. Celebrate and respect it.

It is not that your personality isn't real, it is that it is only relatively real. The universe and every being in it exist, but they are not absolute. Einstein proved this. Relative reality is in the eye of the perceiver. Space and time are not ultimately real. This becomes obvious when we push space and time to their extremes, at the macro- or micro-levels of reality. Quantum and astrophysics reveal the fraying ends of the universal matrix that we inhabit.

Science supports spirituality, beyond what most people realize. Still, science is bound to the laws of the relative universe. The thinking mind will never directly realize Consciousness. It can suggest what is possible, but awakening is inherently non-conceptual. If you have awakened, questions become irrelevant. They are the conditioned mind trying to understand a spiritual experience which is beyond the ability of the mind to comprehend.

[Thought Art]

@Moksha I’m firing you too dream boyo 

hehe ?

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Moksha said:

You are unique and even holy, because of who inhabits you. There will never be another personality identical to yours, and the spiritual journey of Self-discovery through the lens of your personality is entirely special and your own. Celebrate and respect it.

Yeah, it's true....in a relative sense . but if you want to step back and get out of the relative, that's just stories. reality is right now, with no meaning to hold on to. 

there is no personality, there are no characteristics, there is no other with whom to compare to establish adjectives. there is only the reality that is. empty, perfect, without any possible meaning because to establish a meaning you should look for it in the unfathomable depth of the void, and there one thing is the same as another. It's hard to let go of the grips, but they are illusions, are relative 

[Moksha]

@Thought Art All good  Go with what resonates with you, and don't be surprised if that changes over time. I remember reading Eckhart Tolle for the first time, and tossing the book aside as woo-woo trash. It wasn't until years later, when I had suffered more, that I picked it up again and couldn't put it down. Same words, different readiness for their wisdom.

[Moksha]

26 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah, it's true....in a relative sense . but if you want to step back and get out of the relative, that's just stories. reality is right now, with no meaning to hold on to. 

Yes, personality only exists in a relative sense. And yet, Consciousness creates beings and resides within them, even in relative reality. It is an incomprehensible interaction of the ultimate with the relative.

Neo-Advaita dismisses the relative as meaningless, but if so, why does Consciousness create it? If God is not only absolute, but in the relative as well, by definition the relative is also holy.

Edited December 1, 2022 by Moksha

[Thought Art]

@Moksha You misunderstand. I’m transcending all teachers . 
 

Im firing you because:

1. I’ve heard it all me before

2. Your words won’t get me to where I want to go

3. You aren’t saying anything new to me personally. 
 

I’ve also fired everyone else too. Doesn’t mean I won’t read them as I enjoy this stuff. But, they are fired.

I’ve realize all anyone can say to me regarding truth and consciousness is things I’ve heard before which are false. 

Edited December 1, 2022 by Thought Art

[Moksha]

Just now, Thought Art said:

@Moksha You misunderstand. I’m transcending all teachers . 

Direct realization is more meaningful than the collective library of every teacher, guru, and sage. If you are able to realize without requiring a pointer, all the better.

[Thought Art]

@Moksha Exactly… 

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, Moksha said:

And yet, Consciousness creates beings and resides within them, even in relative reality

What is terrifying about the matter is that beings and consciousness are stories that I am creating right now, just in my mind. reality is absolute, what is relative is appearance, that is, it does not exist, it only seems so. What does this mean? It means that you, right now, are the bottomless void dreaming of a world of colors and feelings. can you see it right now? it's very shocking. as soon as you think about it, you get back into the mud of the relative, and if you try to get out using the relative, you sink deeper. it is a difficult game, extremely interesting

 

[Gesundheit2]

22 hours ago, Thought Art said:

If God and Truth has a number in the yellow pages please send me the number.

666-666-666

[TreyMoney]

Spiritual Autolysis in action! @Thought Art Keep going until you find satisfactory answers to all your questions. Peel that onion layer by layer. You know youre done searching when you have no more questions.

[Moksha]

On 12/2/2022 at 3:46 AM, Breakingthewall said:

It means that you, right now, are the bottomless void dreaming of a world of colors and feelings. can you see it right now? it's very shocking. as soon as you think about it, you get back into the mud of the relative, and if you try to get out using the relative, you sink deeper.

I have felt the void terror you describe, but then realized it was only the conditioned personality that desperately seeks permanence in an impermanent world.

As Consciousness, observing the waves on the surface of myself, there is only stillness. The deep I is love, creativity, and tranquility. As long as it doesn't identify with its creations, there is nothing to fear.

Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God.

- A Course in Miracles