Women are poor judge of character

[StarStruck]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You mean to reach God I have to stop thinking with my dick?!!!

Say it ain't so!

Pussy vs Truth... what a delicious existential choice!

It is not pussy vs truth though. First I will go for the pussy and when I'm done, I will go for the truth. ?

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

It is not pussy vs truth though. First I will go for the pussy and when I'm done, I will go for the truth. ?

"If you chase two rabbits you will not catch either one." ― Russian proverb

[integral]

Business idea: Professional Soul Selection, Quality men hand selected by trusted experts. 

Edited November 27, 2022 by integral

[integral]

1 hour ago, StarStruck said:

So basically we have to choose between developing our egos so we can get the best pussy or developing ourselves spiritually but punished by girls if we do.

Not really women love spiritual men. 

[Tyler Robinson]

3 minutes ago, integral said:

Business idea: Professional Soul Selection, Quality men hand selected by trusted experts. 

Please start immediately. 

This thought always takes me back to that proverb - it takes a village to raise a child. 

 

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, integral said:

Business idea: Professional Soul Selection, Quality men hand selected by trusted experts. 

Such services exist and charge lots of money. I see them advertised in airline magazine all the time. Usually it works the other way around: quality women selected by trusted experts for men.

Edited November 27, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Vrubel]

@Leo Gura you keep telling how girls are attracted to assholes because they are emotionally stimulating. That's true to a degree. But at the same time, it is not really that hard to be emotionally stimulating when you are a "strong" man and you click with a girl. If you developed yourself to the point of being pretty decent, meaning you have embodied the basic principles of pick-up and dating, you actually can be very chill, decent and kind to the girl. and you still be emotionally very stimulating.

 

7 minutes ago, integral said:

Not really women love spiritual men. 

Exactly! I get crazy pick-up results after a 5meo trip

Edited November 27, 2022 by Vrubel

[Tyler Robinson]

 

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Such services exist and charge lots of money.

Maybe that's why I always see rich ladies with great husbands.

Sad face. 

Some of these ladies don't even look good and neither have good character and they somehow always have the best men who never leave them. 

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Tyler Robinson

[Gesundheit2]

4 minutes ago, integral said:

Not really women love spiritual men. 

As friends, yes.

[integral]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Such services exist and charge lots of money. I see them advertised in airline magazine all the time. Usually it works the other way around: quality women selected by trusted experts for men.

Interesting looking into it they are called dating agency’s. ? 

20 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

As friends, yes.

How about Masculine spiritual men?

Edited November 27, 2022 by integral

[Gesundheit2]

3 minutes ago, integral said:

How about Masculine spiritual men?

Where?

[bambi]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

"If you chase two rabbits you will not catch either one." ― Russian proverb

Lol Leo you encourage guys to watch porn, masturbate, and chase girls, make your mind up

[StarStruck]

21 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I think that most people are poor judges of character.

In fact, character means a very little in mating, especially in these days. What means most is your looks, age, how you market yourself to the world, shallow charm, status, carrier.

It's true that many decent men find themselves lonely but same with women- many men choose manipulative and narcissistic women who push the right bottoms in their psyche over the decent ones.

If men were a good character judges they would chase the most integrated, most healthy, spiritual, nuanced women who do great contribution to humanity and their local communities but they chase a 20 years old women at clubs who know shit about their life because they are horny and egoic.

Also, there are women who considered unattractive by social norms but know how to make a man committed to them by seduction techniques and manipulation using men's biggest fears and trauma. The art of seduction (the mother of pickup) technically started by women who wanted to gain more power in an era when women had no power. Cleopatra mastered it, she wasn't conventionally beautiful but she knew how to make powerful and respectful men like Julius Caesar who had abundance of beautiful women, to fall in love with her and be emotionally attached to her, to lose almost any logic and rationality he had.

So I wouldn't say that only women are those who are illogical and irrational when it comes to love and sex, men just in denial about it

Haha, those are really rare in the west. The reality of how majority of women are is very different.  They say they want one thing and choose another.

Women don't fuck down, they fuck their way up. So if a women has those attributes that you described, a woman who has her ducks in a row won't choose a spiritual guy, she will choose a guy who is even more developed than her.

As a guy if you want the best girls, you have to develop ego because even spiritual girls choose egotistical guys at the end of the game. Perhaps if a woman reaches 30-40 old perhaps they hit the biological panick button and choose a chode to settle down with a lot of resentment.

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

"If you chase two rabbits you will not catch either one." ― Russian proverb

Ýou chased both rabbits no? First PUA and after that enlightenment

Edited November 27, 2022 by StarStruck

[Gesundheit2]

Good judgement comes from wisdom. And wisdom comes from: 1) knowledge (theory) and 2) experience (practice).

Generally, the older you get, the wiser you become. If that's not the case for you, then you're probably doing something wrong.

Young people are naïve and poor judges because they don't have enough knowledge about life nor much experience of it, which is why dating life sucks the younger you are. To have knowledge, you have to read books, listen to other, more experienced, and typically older people, contemplate for yourself, etc. And to have experience, you have to socialize a lot, get into tough situations, be risky and fearless, etc.

You simply can't expect to just sit alone at home and become wise. Life just doesn't work like that. Nobody is going to deliver knowledge for you or spoon-feed it to you unless you ask for it at least. The good news is that all the knowledge in the world is available for you mostly for free in our time, thanks to the internet. The bad news is that it takes time and might lead you down certain toxic rabbit holes if you're not careful enough. As for earning more experience, there's really no other option than going out and socializing. No amount of books or smart advice could replace that.

That being said, men tend to be generally more wiser than women (at least they used to be), mostly because they have more knowledge and experience, although that seems to be declining as equality is improving and as a lot of boys replace real life experience with video games. But even before video games, the convention is that men should look for younger women than them, because women mature earlier both physically and mentally. Turns out, I'm not sure which gender is wiser, after all. We need statistics.

Edited November 27, 2022 by Gesundheit2

[StarStruck]

@Lila9 define confidence. 

[Tudo]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

"If you chase two rabbits you will not catch either one." ― Russian proverb

Yes, I think this makes sense.

[StarStruck]

28 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Self-confidence is an attitude about your skills and abilities. It means you accept and trust yourself and have a sense of control in your life. You know your strengths and weakness well, and have a positive view of yourself. You set realistic expectations and goals, communicate assertively, and can handle criticism.

A definition from Google that I agree with.

That is what I meant with ego. You call it confidence and I call it ego.

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with a healthy ego. An inflated or deflated ego is problematic though. 

Confidence determines if a person has a healthy or unhealthy ego imo. 

[Ulax]

I think most women need to learn healthy ways of embodying their anger, overcome trauma, understand healthy boundaries, and move into a secure attachment style.

Otherwise, psychopath here i come!

 

[eos_nyxia]

As a woman this thread is pretty unrelatable to me based on overall life choices, lol. A lot of the girls/ women that I have known and been closest to were either:

1. had a "young and dumb phase", but in their case, it was pretty short (as in, through highschool)
2. actively not interested in men, or avoiding them (school, preparing for career, just not that attracted to them overall, very introverted/ isolated (the last two groups which is just not being accounted for when people are like WOMEN THIS, WOMEN THAT.)

Generally, I actively avoid people who are in a state of frequent crisis as a result of their decisions though.... that's my bias/ preference. I have just had enough other things to work on (whether on myself or some other aspect of my life) so I generally don't pick people who destabilize that. Sometimes I've felt overly selfish about it, but in my experience, the consequence of ""giving people a chance"" when I knew they would be trouble or we would not be good fits has pretty much never been worth it.

Anyway, I think selecting for """DUMB WOMEN""" is apparently other people's bias.

4 hours ago, Lila9 said:

I think that most people are poor judges of character.

Yea... I would agree that this is not a gender-specific issue, really.

I've watched a good number of men/ boys make dumb-as-shit choices since puberty. Some people keep repeating them. But to be hearing stuff like "ALL WOMEN ARE >>>insert negative traits<<<<" as a result of their own choices.... in my head, I have been quietly shaking my head from a distance.

Like for example: lots of dudes seem to be wired toward the "SPARKLIEST" woman wherever they are. (Which I generally consider to be fair play; you want what you want.) But predictable things then happen. Then they wonder why all women are shit. But then you hear this train of thought: "Oh, all women are like this, even the super shy ones/ good girls?"

Dude. Ok.

I've gone through this one before, and you probably should too. Are you sure that you're not just a "shit magnet", as in, you have a knack for attracting and not choosing people who are not good for you? That you have some unconscious bias for selecting terribly?

If you're explicitly attracted to emotion and following your appetite for sparkly displays.... generally, you get drama?
 

 

There are literally whole groups of women who are just INVISIBLE.  And that has not changed since puberty.

Edited November 27, 2022 by eos_nyxia

[eos_nyxia]

I will say though that the states for "losing" in choosing poorly are higher, specifically in terms of men being a direct risk to your body and physical health. But I really don't quite get what's going on here. There is something not right about this whole thread.... that does not serve the highest good. And saying WOMEN ARE THIS, WOMEN ARE THAT, this is simply supposed to be about pointing out "unpleasant truths", right?

I think one of my issues is with gender-essentializing all emotion. First of all: ANGER is still an emotion. Men (I assumed cishet in the past)... in my experience, are highly emotional, and not even with anger. But how MANLY OUTBURSTS and MANLY TEARS don't get written as a man having an adult temper tantrum has seriously been beyond me. How you get to be considered a logical person as a result of being man/ "having testosterone" (??) makes zero sense. How can this be accepted tolerated as professional behaviour (or behaviour appropriate for public) if "emotional outbursts" are just not acceptable? I just don't get it.

When I was younger especially, I often presented as on the dry/ logical side. Especially in conflicts (with partners). I.... don't think it was considered particularly attractive overall. But I was raised that way.

IMO there is something super dysfunctional if the only thing you can get from that is that I'm a super masculine woman by nature.

I know that I'm a bit different in this way though: like for my husband, feeling like/ identifying as a man is intrinsic, to the point that he takes it for granted. It's like breathing, eating, or sleeping. For me, "femininity" has always been like a sort of hyper-conscious, performance art. Often, it has felt very real, but also paper thin. Like a beautiful illusion. .....this means though I tend to take the stuff I like, and reject things that I don't like and see value in.

In general: I don't think it's right to too heavily genderize "logic" or "emotion", even if trends emerge. This is to say, with your rhetoric (your way of talking about things, your perspective), you should NOT  be making it harder for people to become more balanced by spreading your "TRUTHS" about the world around and around.

In other words, you dudes: don't go around claiming all of the good attributes for yourself! And unless you are a Vulcan (like a Spock!), perhaps you are not in the position to be judging so freely because you also, at times, have this human-thing called emotions leaking out of you too, in your particular way?

(Not that it will make any difference to me personally, because it never has.)

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by eos_nyxia