Funny Jordan Peterson Epistemology and Ontology

[WisdomSeeker]

 

[Leo Gura]

By his own logic we don't know if Jordan Peterson is a man or a woman or a chipmunk.

It's amazing how sloppily JP does his existential deconstructions -- only in directions which suit his conservative worldview.

If we don't know what "climate" is, then how the hell do we know what a man is?

Edited November 27, 2022 by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

By his own logic we don't know if Jordan Peterson is a man or a woman or a chipmunk.

It's amazing how sloppily JP does his existential deconstructions -- only in directions which suit his conservative worldview.

If we don't know what "climate" is, then how the hell do we know what a man is?

Zen Postmodernist- I mean Postmodern Devil 

[Leo Gura]

What's hilarious is that JP's argument in the above clip is precisely Post-Modernism. But he applies Post-Modernism with such gross double-standards, only when it suits him.

No pre-modern nor modern religious intellectual would argue -- when asked if he believes in God -- that he cannot answer the question because we don't know what "you" is, what "belief" is, what "God" is, and what "is" is.

The line of logic laid out by JP in the above clip is exactly how Derrida would answer a question. Post-Modernism is about deconstructing the question and the questioner until you can't even do philosophy any more.

Which is just of course his own confusion projected out at the world.

Edited November 27, 2022 by Leo Gura

[mmKay]

This is akin to just learning about no-self an pulling up one of these on your GF

 

 

[Virtually]

(talking about the "belief" thing)

if you follow John Vervarkes work, it's easy to see JBP is pointing to participatory/perspectival/procedural knowing, he just doesn't has the word for the concepts and so appears like he's trying to deconstruct the words in a circle. but from my POV he just doesn't have the tools to articulate in a linear way what he means

it's more a matter of semantics than of post modern deconstruction: there's something beyond his word play

but I still see how he applies double standards in a lot of other aspects

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Virtually said:

there's something beyond his word play

Of course!

It's God

All philosophy is just wordplay to avoid a direct confrontation with God.

Edited November 27, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Razard86]

54 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course!

It's God

All philosophy is just wordplay to avoid a direct confrontation God.

Yep just a dance around the void, avoidance. I really would love for Jordan Peterson to take 5 MEO with Mike Tyson LOL.

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I really would love for Jordan Peterson to take 5 MEO

Gramps is too fragile for such serious business.

Edited November 27, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura that's why i think peterson is cognitively at integral even though he has a lot of regressive elements. he's really a unique teacher, combining religion and science and postmodernism, etc... he is like a low quality version of leo gura 

[Leo Gura]

He's definitely a unique case of spiritual neurosis

The best thing I can say about JP is that he's a high quality conservative

I appreciate intelligent conservatives more and more these days. It's like finding 4-leaf clovers

Edited November 27, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura would you consider him to be wise ? personally i would say that relative to a daniel schmachtenberger or a ken wilber, he is not. but he certainly is wise relative to a regular conservative who's at stage blue/orange. but overall according to my standard (which is fairly high) i would say no. 

what do you think ? 

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura would you consider him to be wise ? personally i would say that relative to a daniel schmachtenberger or a ken wilber, he is not. but he certainly is wise relative to a regular conservative who's at stage blue/orange. but overall according to my standard (which is fairly high) i would say no. 

what do you think ? 

He's wise, but certainly not at the level of a Schmach or Wilber.

What you're really talking about is Consciousness and Intelligence, which has so many degrees that it makes even the smartest humans look like chimpanzees trying to operate a rocket ship. That's basically what you get from JP when you ask him to talk about God. He simply doesn't have enough intelligence to understand it. But then again, neither does Wilber.

Edited November 27, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura got it  

[WisdomSeeker]

12 hours ago, mmKay said:

This is akin to just learning about no-self an pulling up one of these on your GF

 

 

@mmKay reminds me of this key and peele skit ???