Alot of men and women in the western world have become sexual degenerates.

[integral]

2 minutes ago, jivvie said:

What equality are you searching for? There’s no equality in love and war sir/ma’am. What type of equality do you actually want from this post. Do you believe equality can actually exist? 
 

I would say the term “degenerate” is a bit harsh and maybe so unprofessional but as actualized beings, if you believe equality exists in the dating scene then….  yikes ? 

He literally said that men should retain their semen and not waste it and for women to retain their purity. So by his logic a woman is a degenerate if she does not maintain her purity and a man is a degenerate for wasting his sperm and not focussing on his vision. Equal discussion on “degeneracy”.

The word degeneracy represents judgement and shaming. A unhealthy framing for intelligent discussions on this topic. 

[Hero in progress]

de·gen·er·ate

ADJECTIVE[dɪˈdʒɛn(ə)rət]

having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline:

"a degenerate form of a higher civilization"

call it how I see it

Edited November 26, 2022 by Hero in progress

[Hero in progress]

@integral

I had women in the Title initially before you manipulated it because women are the gatekeepers of sex

[Tyler Robinson]

 

4 minutes ago, Hero in progress said:

@Tyler Robinson

Not shaming you if you are a virgin I was actually seeing if you was a liar or not about being one and only you know that anyway so thats one to sit with for yourself. If you genuinely are telling the truth then you will be all good within yourself wont ya. 

Good for what? What has virginity got to do with anything? 

Having or not having sex is my personal decision and choice. I don't know what it has to do with the topic though. 

Virginity is important to me because of my religion and its my moral code. I didn't say that everyone should be a virgin. It's my personal morality. Don't know why it's relevant to the thread 

4 minutes ago, Hero in progress said:

I did not refer to "women" as degenerates, your manipulating my information as others are. I said in the western world alot of women are now sexual degenerates, is it not true? 

I just don't get it. Sexual morality is a personal choice. It's not a social thing. 

4 minutes ago, Hero in progress said:

You are not going see what female attention and offers I get would you because we are simply communicating through a forum.  

But if you don't like a woman, aren't you free to reject her? 

 

4 minutes ago, Hero in progress said:

 

Okay Ill give you the benefit of the doubt on the clitoral comment but why post a picture of a pornstar in a  reactive way? oh I forgot "women empowerment thats right. Men treat us like shit so we will be sluts to get our own back lol  

 

I was talking about female sexuality. You're too focused on the content of the image. I'm looking at it as a female so it doesn't matter to me if she is a porn star or not. For me it was a woman wearing a shoe ready to leave a place, in a way signaling WGTOW, women going their own way, as I mentioned in the beginning. The image was a representation of a woman leaving for good and claiming her sexuality. 

[integral]

8 minutes ago, Hero in progress said:

@integral

I had women in the Title initially before you manipulated it because women are the gatekeepers of sex

Look at it from the forums perspective, you’re broadcasting to the world that women are degenerates in a already unhealthy male-dominated dating section. We have enough male frustration one-sided topics, let’s move things to be more holistic.

I also don’t see why men are not also degenerates by your logic. A man wasting his semen by your logic should also be a degenerate.

Edited November 26, 2022 by integral

[jivvie]

19 minutes ago, integral said:

He literally said that men should retain their semen and not waste it and for women to retain their purity. So by his logic a woman is a degenerate if she does not maintain her purity and a man is a degenerate for wasting his sperm and not focussing on his vision. Equal discussion on “degeneracy”.

The word degeneracy represents judgement and shaming. A unhealthy framing for intelligent discussions on this topic. 

I did not read that.

I apologize. Gonna have to agree in that context.

[Byun Sean]

Well Timmy, the battle of the penises and vaginas waged on for thousands more years.

No one knew why they hated each other for their differing genitals. They just did.

Wow dad! There’s no way that this was actually based on a true story right? Right?

[jivvie]

9 minutes ago, KH2 said:

Some of you MFs are like black holes. Energetic vampires. You just sap, sap, sap, sap energy of others throught endless conversations about nothing (and with no objective and outcome either). Just your mere presence makes me less energetic already. BORIIIIIIIINGGGG

How to seek attention without asking for it. 
 

Example of a man that has not matured. 

[jivvie]

32 minutes ago, Cat_eyes said:

Why does the choice have to be between a sensitive Virgin or a whore?  No.  A man who’s had relationships and a few casual encounters is fine. I’m talking about guys who sleep with as many people as possible.  
the guys you talk about who are supposedly like kings, can attract women yes, but they aren’t good for a long term relationship.  No woman would be happy in a relationship with that type of man because they wouldn’t offer any safety, only insecurity and they mostly have insecure girls running after them.

Okay. Let’s use your context. Long Term Relationships. 
 

Modern women today are not looking for what you are talking about brother. They aren’t. And it shows you obviously have not been in the market or did much research in this market because you would know. 
 

Most modern women have the following wants: Good job or career, money (6 figures), good education, goal driven.

Traditional women want: security, safety 

 

You are researching traditional women in a modern world. Do they exist? Hell yeah. They do. But they are the “pure” women the OP is talking about lmao. No woman with 5-7 partners is a traditional woman. If they were, even the type of men you are complaining about would have put a ring on it. 
 

Do not run away from the obvious. Men recognize traditional women. Men recognize a good woman that knows her place. 

[Emrie]

Idk maybe we don't have to look at whole human beings with complex personalities that are always changing and judge their entire character just based on whether or not they watch porn and how many people they've slept with.

Y'all are attaching so much importance to these honestly really superficial things and I don't see how they affect your relationships all that much.

What matters in a relationship would be things like if you care about each other, good communication, attachment styles and love languages, and a whole bunch of other stuff too.

Sexual compatibility too, of course, and I could hear an argument that someone's masturbation habits and sexual history may play a role in that, but it's a huge stretch to me between "may or may not play a role in exactly one aspect of the relationship" to "This person as a whole is a degenerate and I can't date them under any circumstances".

Edited November 26, 2022 by Emrie
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[Gesundheit2]

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

I really don't get it, some men complain that women are too picky and hard to have sex with, on the other hand the same type of men want a "pure" girlfriend.

Who is doing that? Can you name them in person?

Personally, I want a pure girlfriend. I don't care if she's too picky. In fact, the more the better (to a reasonable extent, of course), because that means she has high standards and I pass all of them, which confirms to me that I'm high value. Now, if she's only too picky with me, but would quickly jump into bed with another man, then we have a red flag problem and we are not compatible and I would filter her out immediately if not even before.

Edited November 26, 2022 by Gesundheit2

[integral]

2 hours ago, Gesundheit2 said:

Who is doing that? Can you name them in person?

Personally, I want a pure girlfriend. I don't care if she's too picky. In fact, the more the better (to a reasonable extent, of course), because that means she has high standards and I pass all of them, which confirms to me that I'm high value. Now, if she's only too picky with me, but would quickly jump into bed with another man, then we have a red flag problem and we are not compatible and I would filter her out immediately if not even before.

Exercise: Use your own intelligence to show yourself why life doesnt play out anything like this. Go! 

Edited November 26, 2022 by integral

[Gesundheit2]

9 minutes ago, integral said:

Exercise: Use your own intelligence to show yourself why your wrong. Go! 

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[integral]

26 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

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[no_name]

12 hours ago, jivvie said:

Most men of value do not want a woman that’s had 5-9 men inside her. I surely did not. Which is why I married a 20 year old at 30. (Happily married. And when I say happy, I mean walking on clouds daily. It gets rough, but man is it nice having someone that listens intently and grows with you). She is 23 now and I am 33

I am 30, and I can’t even speak to 20 year olds here because they are complete idiots.

Humans brains don’t fully develop until the age of 25. A 30 year old who finds something in common with a 20 year old must be on the same level of underdevelopment.

Many men who date younger women like that cannot date women of their own age because those women wouldn’t consider them “high value”. Only a 20 year old idiot who did not have any experience and does not know what “high value” looks like can be bullshitted and manipulated by those men to think they are “high value”. These men are also extremely insecure, so they do need the praise and admiration they get from those immature women.

20 year old has no clue about what is good in a man and what is bad in a man. She will fall for anything that gives her attention. 
 

Also, seeing your picture and how bitterly you interact here, as someone with experience, you by no means are “high value”. But truly thanks for the laugh. 

Edited November 26, 2022 by no_name

[no_name]

8 hours ago, Hero in progress said:

@Roy

Very common that men will find they become more attractive to females as they age, and have a much harder time when younger.  Honestly females sexual market value diminishes each time they sleep with another man. That wont feel very good to hear that for a women, but I think most men would agree.  

Men mature at a later stage of life and usually have there shit together around 35- 40.  

Bless up Roy 

I am 30 and I am open to dating men 40-45, the problem is, I am NOT attracted to them physically.

This bs that people say here that men’s value increases with age, is for sure bs, or the age is definitely capped at less than 35.

I am seeing lots of men in this age range on dating apps, and they are not attractive to me whatsoever. They are balding, or some of them fully bald already, they have lots of wrinkles, their skin is weird and thick, they have grey hair (the ones that still have some of it), hairy bodies (the hair is grey on their bodies too), many of them also get fat. And the cherry on top - they look even worse in life, many of them post pics from years ago on their dating app, it’s a big shocker once you meet them..

Of course there are a few that still look ok, like celebrities, for example, but most of them… omg.. I can’t date a grandpa like this, I don’t care what he has or who he is..

I am not here to slam on old men, I am just saying be realistic and stop spreading bs. Just like you wouldn’t be attracted physically to a grandma, women are not attracted to grandfathers either, unless they are of the same age.

Edited November 26, 2022 by no_name

[eos_nyxia]

15 hours ago, Hero in progress said:

Men you should value your semen much more than you do and educate yourself about that.

Yea... but does your semen value you back?!

 

Oh, a more serious answer.

As someone who might fit your description as a woman (I've probably been with fewer people in terms of traditional sex acts compared to many women who identify as conservative in my culture), but who is not conservatively wired sexually... (as in, I had to make choices which led me up to this point.):

1) there are NO PRIZES at the end for not truly doing what you want to do, and experiencing what you want to experience, regardless of the supposed consequences. Regardless of whether you "fuck it up" and other people and yourself treat you like "broken/ used goods" at the end of it all. FOMO is real. No one's gonna come give you a medal/ trophy for being "perfect", so let's hope that you're truly happy with your choice. (Or else you might do something like go around shoving it in people's faces, trying to either convince or force people to do the same as you do.... which is, "coincidentally", not something that people who are truly happy with their choices tend to do.)

2) according to these types of purity models, I was always used/ damaged goods for reasons out of my control. (history of childhood sexual abuse). I had to come to terms with this quite early, that either way, this choice about "when" and "how" I started expressing my sexuality was not mine to make, along with "who", obviously. TBH, I have had no reason to play along with this game for the reasons that people often play along.

Guess what? This is sometimes behind people's motivation toward promiscuous behaviour, though it is absolutely never safe to assume.

Fortunately for myself, I also came to the conclusion very early in life that purity or "innocence" is NOT about your history, but about keeping the slate clean, or perhaps polishing it. About consolidation of body, mind, and spirit. And the way you express yourself, the way you feel, the way you think thoughts. It is about being so truly you(/You), that that is all that there really is. It's about how open you are, regardless of whatever you have experienced (or not experienced). Strangely... it's actually about having more personal power in and of itself, just because, and not about giving it away or taking more power relative to other people (or in the context of societal structures).

Anyway... who actually, realistically wins according to this model?

For anyone who does... like, their experience and interests and sexual inclinations and wiring lines up with this system? They always did "get lucky". They meet the right person, at the right age, in the right context, and then they put the work in.

3) TBH, I think my sexual restraint and self-discipline ended up making me more intense with my sexual fantasies (if I choose to go this way) in a way that ended up making me more "depraved" (as in, extravagant/ unhinged). That's what it tends to do, lol. And it can so very easily backfire.

Isn't this obvious enough from looking around? >>>cue some public conservative figure/politician with a very respectable wife/life/kids who gets outted for being into non-kosher porn/ paid sex<<<

 

Quote

My advice for females is find a decent man and take your time. 

Off the top of my head, the only person that I have seen give this advice in a decent and practical way toward women is a woman herself (The Crappy Childhood Fairy) who made this suggestion: if you have trauma and/or attachment issues, getting intimate with people fast and easy often doesn't work well in your favour. You tend to keep getting into inflammatory situations where the cycle repeats in some variation or another.

However, this isn't a moral/ puritanical judgment. It's a practical one from someone who has dealt with actual issues.

Edited November 26, 2022 by eos_nyxia

[eos_nyxia]

10 minutes ago, no_name said:

I am 30 and I am open to dating men 40-45, the problem is, I am NOT attracted to them physically.

This bs that people say here that men’s value increases with age, is for sure bs, or the age is definitely capped at less than 35.

I am seeing lots of men in this age range on dating apps, and they are not attractive to me whatsoever. They are balding, or some of them fully bald already, they have lots of wrinkles, their skin is weird and thick, they have grey hair (the ones that still have some of it), hairy bodies (the hair is grey on their bodies too), many of them also get fat. And the cherry on top - they look even worse in life, many of them post pics from years ago on their dating app, it’s a big shocker once you meet them..

Of course there are a few that still look ok, like celebrities, for example, but most of them… omg.. I can’t date a grandpa like this, I don’t care what he has or who he is..

I am not here to slam on old men, I am just saying be realistic and stop spreading bs. Just like you wouldn’t be attracted physically to a grandma, women are not attracted to grandfathers either, unless they are of the same age.

It's straight-up cope in many cases, lol.

Not just about the physical appearance. But the supposed value of things they have to offer offset such. IMO, "achievements" don't really make up at all for someone who is likely a less vital version of themselves, and who is more cynical/ judgemental, and especially more rigid.

 

But anyway, reality sorts itself out.

 

Edited November 26, 2022 by eos_nyxia

[no_name]

1 hour ago, eos_nyxia said:

It's straight-up cope in many cases, lol.

Not just about the physical appearance. But the supposed value of things they have to offer offset such. IMO, "achievements" don't really make up at all for someone who is likely a less vital version of themselves, and who is more cynical/ judgemental, and especially more rigid.

 

But anyway, reality sorts itself out.

 

Yea that’s true, I didn’t want to touch upon character. But using the language of the OP they’ve been “run through” by life at this point ???. I do think one category of these men are the bitter and cynical ones, very boring to talk to, the other category is the forever child ones who never grow up so it’s kinda obvious why they are still single.

Yea, even the serious achievements don’t make up for having bad character. Men who don’t even have any real achievements by that age.. well.. good luck.

Edited November 26, 2022 by no_name

[Raze]

6 hours ago, no_name said:

I am 30, and I can’t even speak to 20 year olds here because they are complete idiots.

Humans brains don’t fully develop until the age of 25. A 30 year old who finds something in common with a 20 year old must be on the same level of underdevelopment.

Many men who date younger women like that cannot date women of their own age because those women wouldn’t consider them “high value”. Only a 20 year old idiot who did not have any experience and does not know what “high value” looks like can be bullshitted and manipulated by those men to think they are “high value”. These men are also extremely insecure, so they do need the praise and admiration they get from those immature women.

20 year old has no clue about what is good in a man and what is bad in a man. She will fall for anything that gives her attention. 
 

Also, seeing your picture and how bitterly you interact here, as someone with experience, you by no means are “high value”. But truly thanks for the laugh. 

This simply isn’t true. To all ages of men, women in their 20’s look best on average, it isn’t the same for women on average, see this data

https://www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10

“High value” men on average go for women even younger than the average man, because they go for what they are most attracted to and have the resources to win them over.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/homo-consumericus/201306/very-wealthy-men-marry-much-younger-women

To say a older man who goes for a younger woman must be “low value” makes no sense and I’m sorry is complete cope. Unless somehow the wealthier a man is the more low value he is?

Men primarily care about looks in women, so a woman in her 30’s would be less “value” than in her 20’s. Women when judging men care about looks, but they also care more about other things besides looks, such as resources, social proof, charisma, etc. , which is why on average they go for older men, because older men have acquired more of those features on average.

Edited November 26, 2022 by Raze