What is the current global collective stage?

[LordFall]

I think people make the mistake of thinking that the world is somewhere around stage orange because our democracies have a lot of orange and green elements and that we're almost about to hit stage green. Wouldn't it be fair to say that the world collectively is not even stage blue, but more like stage red?

I would say our western democracies are basically just coming out of blue which I would categorize as the economy and culture being organized into massive corporations and industries that everyone has to it into. This started with the industrial revolution and continues with our mega tech corps. Collective living. 

I would consider the rise of the entrepreneurship/freelancer movement as the start of a stage orange economy. If you have the know-how, you can basically self-sustain by offering your product and skills to the free market and not have to rely on a collective organization to make a living. Social media makes this increasingly possible and will continue to do so for the near future. 

A lot of countries are still at stage blue of massive organized labor and even at stage red where industries have not even formed and they're still doing small-scale family craft mercantilism(Africa, smaller eastern European countries, and fishing SEA villages come to mind). In Africa for example a lot of countries don't have functioning economies and industries and are basically a form of communism where a dictator controls everything and the people have to work in his system or have very small-scale businesses. 

This is only talking about the economical aspect but culturally most of the world is still organized in stage blue religion culturally. Very few countries let you truly be an individual and live your own morals as long as you don't break the law.

This would mean that we're nowhere near the stage green utopia that a lot of are looking for and have to go through a phase of stage orange hyper-individualism that empowers more individuals that will then have the collective power to bring stage green measure globally. 

What do you guys think about this, do you agree with my analysis? 

[aurum]

@LordFall It really just depends on what part of the world you are talking about.

Yes, even in the Global North we have a lot of Blue. But I also wouldn’t say its predominantly Blue. The birth of the United States itself is clearly the result of an Orange reaction against the Blue monarchies of Europe. Orange has been around for a while.

Red is pretty rare in the Global North.

According to some estimates I’ve read from Ken Wilber, something like 20-30% of the world population has made it to Green. Supposedly above 10% creates a tipping point where more and more people will start to be attracted to that stage. But undoubtedly a lot of the world still needs to move through Blue and Orange. Green is a utopic fantasy for many.

[LordFall]

@aurum Don't you agree that our current economic system has more to do with stage blue values rather than stage orange?

I would say that most people that are green are fully rejecting orange and are still stuck in a stage blue economy so their power is limited by like 5%. I would consider the stereotypical protester, activist, SJW, and hippie a stage green person that hasn't actualized their orange.

An integrated green person would combine their compassion and drive for unity with orange's pragmatism and create a business, organization, community, or some sort of effective entity to spread their passion. 

Its also hard to just talk about the global north since we're deeply affected by other countries and cultures. Immigration and the internet will eventually unite everyone so if a big part of the world is red/blue that causes problems for us as well. 

[aurum]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

Don't you agree that our current economic system has more to do with stage blue values rather than stage orange?

No I do not.

The economic system before our current system (capitalism) was feudalism. Feudalism was really the embodiment of stage blue / red in Europe, with its rigid social roles and relationship with the church.

Capitalism was a shift towards Orange individualism. It gave people the chance to move up the social ladder and choose where to work. It decentralized intelligence of resource distribution from monarchy to the market. With the industrial revolution fueled by new scientific discoveries, mass production came online. All of this is Orange and has been around for quite a while.

You can see Orange thinking in the Constitution of the US. Democracy itself is an Orange level idea, with its democratization of political power.

Orange is much deeper than modern entrepreneurship. Entrepreneurship is just one flavor of Orange. It’s the Rational, 3rd person mode of thinking coming online. Which is why modern science and capitalism began appearing at around the same time.

You could be a state employed university scientist and be textbook Orange. You could be an employee just about anywhere and still be Orange. 

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

I would say that most people that are green are fully rejecting orange and are still stuck in a stage blue economy so their power is limited by like 5%. I would consider the stereotypical protester, activist, SJW, and hippie a stage green person that hasn't actualized their orange.

 

Not necessarily.

Green is still tier 1, which means it can and often does react badly against the lower stages. So a hippie Green could have legitimately moved through Orange. It all depends on the person and their particular environment / process.

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

An integrated green person would combine their compassion and drive for unity with orange's pragmatism and create a business, organization, community, or some sort of effective entity to spread their passion. 

They could. But they could also not. Not everyone is like that or wants that.

[Leo Gura]

It is a mistake to try to make broad, sweeping generalizations about the world as a whole.

These models are best when they are applied in narrow and specific ways. It is not useful to give the whole planet a development stage because there is so much diversity. It's much better to go country by country, or even city by city. Applying a model in too broad a way will lead to all sorts of predictive errors.

For example, even calling Georgia a Red state is a mistake because all the big cities in Florida vote democrat. There really isn't such a thing as Red vs Blue states, there are Red vs Blue counties. You have to be very careful with such constructed generalizations as "Red states" and "Blue states".

Edited November 23, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Danioover9000]

@LordFall

19 hours ago, LordFall said:

I think people make the mistake of thinking that the world is somewhere around stage orange because our democracies have a lot of orange and green elements and that we're almost about to hit stage green. Wouldn't it be fair to say that the world collectively is not even stage blue, but more like stage red?

I would say our western democracies are basically just coming out of blue which I would categorize as the economy and culture being organized into massive corporations and industries that everyone has to it into. This started with the industrial revolution and continues with our mega tech corps. Collective living. 

I would consider the rise of the entrepreneurship/freelancer movement as the start of a stage orange economy. If you have the know-how, you can basically self-sustain by offering your product and skills to the free market and not have to rely on a collective organization to make a living. Social media makes this increasingly possible and will continue to do so for the near future. 

A lot of countries are still at stage blue of massive organized labor and even at stage red where industries have not even formed and they're still doing small-scale family craft mercantilism(Africa, smaller eastern European countries, and fishing SEA villages come to mind). In Africa for example a lot of countries don't have functioning economies and industries and are basically a form of communism where a dictator controls everything and the people have to work in his system or have very small-scale businesses. 

This is only talking about the economical aspect but culturally most of the world is still organized in stage blue religion culturally. Very few countries let you truly be an individual and live your own morals as long as you don't break the law.

This would mean that we're nowhere near the stage green utopia that a lot of are looking for and have to go through a phase of stage orange hyper-individualism that empowers more individuals that will then have the collective power to bring stage green measure globally. 

What do you guys think about this, do you agree with my analysis? 

   Kind of, but really the world is SD blue 75%, with some SD orange like in the UK, some parts of USA, Europe, and some SD red with few blues states and countries like Russia, China, North/south korea, historical Japan and African countries and 3rd world countries.

[Mohammad]

On 11/23/2022 at 0:58 AM, aurum said:

According to some estimates I’ve read from Ken Wilber, something like 20-30% of the world population has made it to Green.

I really find it hard to believe this.

 

@LordFall  Interesting, I never gave much thought to red, but now that you mentioned it, it seems to me that there are more red people around the world than what it looks like. I do believe as Leo said, it hugely depends on where to look, it's very hard to generalize, but I think the majority is not orange yet (globally) and blue still predominates the human population. In west you see lot of orange. In somewhere like middle east and parts of Asia, red and blue are the majority, orange people are those who try to advance their society, and we have some few green and above minorities.

Funny thing is that in some middle eastern countries most of their old and new literature are about stage turquoise values!