Why is the spiritual connection to life is too important

[Someone here]

 

Since I was a very young child, I've always been interested in understanding the universe far beyond the scientific sense. It troubles me, as I'm sure it does many of you, to understand who we are, where we came from, and what our purpose is here.

Imagine you have awoken on a train, not knowing how you got there.
What would your two first questions be?
1)How did I get here?
2)Where are we going?

For me, that is life. The Universe is constantly a mystery to me, and it makes no sense how we exist.

And this might be the reason why Andrew Tate  have accepted Islam, and I fully believe that he knows the story of Islam and how corrupt and skewed it is.  But the Quran simply offers clear-cut answers to the big existential questions like where did we come from ?and why are we here ?and where are we gonna go after death ?

When I see someone intelligent (supposedly) choosing to immerse himself in a religion that is simply outdated and not applicable to our modern society values then I notice that people In the West lack spiritual connection to reality . They are by far the largest power when to comes to material power (money, oil,science, technology)etc  but there is this hedonistic and nihilistic and pragmatic approach to life that makes people all they care about is food and sex and drugs etc. 

And that's why in the last decade or so there was a growing number of spiritual communities in the west teaching Buddhism and Zen etc  . To fill that existential gap in the hearts of western people. 

What are your thoughts ? Do you agree with me ?

[Breakingthewall]

Until recently, the thing was very simple for all the humans: you are a son of God, eternal life and paradise await you, you just have to face this vale of tears in the best possible way. then god died, and was replaced by the search for well-being and the denial of death. and now some of us go back to phase 1, but we are so smart that belief is not an option. we need to unravel the riddle completely. we want to see the truth through the veil, whatever the cost. Who would be so crazy to don't do it?

[Someone here]

18 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Until recently, the thing was very simple for all the humans: you are a son of God, eternal life and paradise await you, you just have to face this vale of tears in the best possible way. then god died, and was replaced by the search for well-being and the denial of death. and now some of us go back to phase 1, but we are so smart that belief is not an option. we need to unravel the riddle completely. we want to see the truth through the veil, whatever the cost. Who would be so crazy to don't do it?

This is known as the pre-trans fallacy .

The god that stage blue people worship isn't the same God that spiritual masters and stage turquoise people know .

The first is a bearded man sitting in the clouds who threatens you to go to hell if you masturbate.  Whereas the latter is the very fabric of existence itself.  Big difference. 

[Gesundheit2]

20 hours ago, Someone here said:

And this might be the reason why Andrew Tate  have accepted Islam, and I fully believe that he knows the story of Islam and how corrupt and skewed it is.  But the Quran simply offers clear-cut answers to the big existential questions like where did we come from ?and why are we here ?and where are we gonna go after death ?

When I see someone intelligent (supposedly) choosing to immerse himself in a religion that is simply outdated and not applicable to our modern society values then I notice that people In the West lack spiritual connection to reality . They are by far the largest power when to comes to material power (money, oil,science, technology)etc  but there is this hedonistic and nihilistic and pragmatic approach to life that makes people all they care about is food and sex and drugs etc. 

Tate became Muslim just to gain more fame/audience/publicity. Yes, he's that desperate and shallow.

20 hours ago, Someone here said:

And that's why in the last decade or so there was a growing number of spiritual communities in the west teaching Buddhism and Zen etc  . To fill that existential gap in the hearts of western people. 

What are your thoughts ? Do you agree with me ?

No thoughts there. Could be anything. Could be wrong, just a coincidence, or something trivial.

[Someone here]

58 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

Tate became Muslim just to gain more fame/audience/publicity. Yes, he's that desperate and shallow.

No thoughts there. Could be anything. Could be wrong, just a coincidence, or something trivial.

I disagree.  He speaks so passionately about Islam.  You know that Islam specifically is hated in the west especially after 9/11..so why would he go out of the herd and convert to the most controversial religion out there from nearly 3000 religions?

He accepted Islam because Islam is a red pilled religion and it also enforces strictness. Islam maintains law and order and prevents people from getting loose. Which is not the case with Christianity which became so fluffy and no serious to be considered a true religion that has morals and values . I mean they were in the medieval but today Christianity is really losing the battle with Islam. 

Religions like Hinduism and Buddhism are local religions. Only people who were born in India or China are Hindus or Buddhists.  Even though Buddhism have gained so much publicity in the west like I said in the last few Decades which you see with the new age community. 

[Gesundheit2]

9 minutes ago, Someone here said:

the most controversial

Exactly.

[Someone here]

@Gesundheit2 have you watched any of his podcasts and interviews after his conversion? Do you know that the average mulsim is so ignorant of their religion that they don't even know about the verse in the quran which says that men should beat women if they disobey their husbands ?

Islam has come under unfair attack. The average muslim family has not read the Quran and just want their families to do well. When it comes from  westerners converting to Islam you can say that they understand more about Islam than arab original Muslims do .

the issue here is not Islam really. But the lack of spirituality in the west . People in the west have become so immersed in materialism and hedonism .which started to backfire into new age spirituality.

What I want to stress in this thread is that you should build your spiritual foundation BEFORE even getting the basics of survival in life (becoming financially independent, and leaving your parents home and marry and have children). Without spiritual clarity it is simply impossibility to be happy and fullfiled in life. And that's what make westerners convert to Islam or Buddhism because they think they've found what they are truly looking for .

[Gesundheit2]

15 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Gesundheit2 have you watched any of his podcasts and interviews after his conversion?

No. I can judge a person by one look, and he's obviously not genuine.

15 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Do you know that the average mulsim is so ignorant of their religion that they don't even know about the verse in the quran which says that men should beat women if they disobey their husbands ?

If there's one Quranic verse that all Muslim men know, it's this one.

15 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Islam has come under unfair attack. The average muslim family has not read the Quran and just want their families to do well. When it comes from  westerners converting to Islam you can say that they understand more about Islam than arab original Muslims do .

That could be the case for anyone in the west, except for Tate and the like. He's a hypocrite and an attention whore, and I'm done feeding him attention.

15 minutes ago, Someone here said:

the issue here is not Islam really. But the lack of spirituality in the west . People in the west have become so immersed in materialism and hedonism .which started to backfire into new age spirituality.

What I want to stress in this thread is that you should build your spiritual foundation BEFORE even getting the basics of survival in life (becoming financially independent, and leaving your parents home and marry and have children). Without spiritual clarity it is simply impossibility to be happy and fullfiled in life. And that's what make westerners convert to Islam or Buddhism because they think they've found what they are truly looking for .

Most Muslims and Buddhists are not happy nor fulfilled, either. I've been one, and you said it yourself that the average Muslim/Buddhist doesn't know the basics of their religion. My experience with religion is that it mostly serves as a band aid or a tool for bypassing the real work of going inside and facing your inner demos. After you reach a certain point with religion, it becomes an obstacle that hinders your progress rather than advance it. After a certain point, religion becomes the devil, especially the more dogmatic you are about it.

Leaving the nest and becoming financially-independent in the west is easy. It's a lifestyle choice, and really just the norm there. If someone is struggling with that in the west, then most likely it's because they're simply losers. The system there is fair and designed so that almost anyone can get a decent life if they simply put in a reasonable amount of work and effort. Don't look at these forum fools and think that they're normal. They're the exception there, because they're spoiled, lazy, entitled, and like you said immersed in materialism and hedonism.

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

The god that stage blue people worship isn't the same God that spiritual masters and stage turquoise people know .

The first is a bearded man sitting in the clouds who threatens you to go to hell if you masturbate.  Whereas the latter is the very fabric of existence itself.  Big difference. 

Well, it depends. Both have a lot of common points. the christian god is love, and in the bible it is explained how to reach the kingdom of heaven surrendering the ego. the problem is that very few people understand it and they remain in superficial meanings. even so, the average person 300 years ago was much better equipped psychologically to face death. the current materialistic idiocy puts humans in a horrible trap. a fight doomed to failure that can only be faced with strategies of evasion and denial

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, Gesundheit2 said:

Most Muslims and Buddhists are not happy nor fulfilled, either. I've been one, and you said it yourself that the average Muslim/Buddhist doesn't know the basics of their religion. My experience with religion is that it mostly serves as a band aid or a tool for bypassing the real work of going inside and facing your inner demos. After you reach a certain point with religion, it becomes an obstacle that hinders your progress rather than advance it. After a certain point, religion becomes the devil, especially the more dogmatic you are about it.

Not necessarily but potentially.

The problem is that the moment you train people to accept religious claims unquestioned you can tell them anything as long as you disguise the claim as a religious claim. The results are crusades, jihads, inquisition, heretic hunts, people strapping bombs to their bodies and setting them off in a crowd or flying planes into buildings(9/11).etc 

Religion is a tool. It can be used for good or bad. But the basis of blind faith introduces a gigantic potential for abuse.

1 hour ago, Gesundheit2 said:

Leaving the nest and becoming financially-independent in the west is easy. It's a lifestyle choice, and really just the norm there. If someone is struggling with that in the west, then most likely it's because they're simply losers. The system there is fair and designed so that almost anyone can get a decent life if they simply put in a reasonable amount of work and effort. Don't look at these forum fools and think that they're normal. They're the exception there, because they're spoiled, lazy, entitled, and like you said immersed in materialism and hedonism

I agree. Even though I've never been into any western country but obviously you could have more possibilities there easily. You live in the middle East if I'm correct?  Why don't you consider migrating to a a first world country ? You are a smart guy and should have all opportunities open to you(if its not already Inyour country then my bad ).
A secure income is of course a good foundation. To get there, get decent job skills and working habits. Regardless of whether you run your own business or accept employment. Reliability, dependability, discipline and the other boring old fashioned stuff works in that direction.

 But I say all that is secondary. You must first discover the ultimate truth.  Just like how the Buddha or Ramana Maharshi  did . They left society from a very young age and went to seek truth .then after reaching the ultimate understanding of who they are and what reality is, they came back to society. That's how it should be. Its not backward.

[Someone here]

56 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, it depends. Both have a lot of common points. the christian god is love, and in the bible it is explained how to reach the kingdom of heaven surrendering the ego. the problem is that very few people understand it and they remain in superficial meanings. even so, the average person 300 years ago was much better equipped psychologically to face death. the current materialistic idiocy puts humans in a horrible trap. a fight doomed to failure that can only be faced with strategies of evasion and denial

Speaking from personal experience, I function in exactly the same way I did before my awakening except for one thing…

My fundamental perception of life has now shifted from an ego-centric viewpoint to a “heart” or God-centric viewpoint.

This means that I no longer view myself as an individual at an essential level, only at a functional level. Consequently, my actions now arise out of that which is most beneficial to the whole.

Time no longer holds any power over me. Past and Future are denied airtime.

My playground is Eternity.

I no longer need to think before I act. I just do. I just am.