Women Should Become Better People For You To Get Love

[Tyler Robinson]

16 minutes ago, Ry4n said:

If you could read I said it didn’t justify it, never called you cheap either, but I did say you promote toxic masculinity and femininity. 

I'm not promoting anything other than reality. You're trying to sugarcoat reality by using masks of toxic Masculinity and femininity. You don't understand that survival is brutal. You can create utopia in your mind but life is always unfair. The world is unfair. Everything is unfair. Instead of sugarcoating to satisfy your mind, adapt to circumstances. 

No relationship survives where the woman does better than the man. Learn to gain practice experience instead of spouting off theories. 

In reality women are programmed to rely on men for survival. It's nature. If it's toxic, yea it doesn't align with the principles of humanity. But so does anything else including rape, abuse, crime, murder, divorce, death, disease, disability and everything else. 

There's so much economic disparity in the world. Is that fair? People eat meat. Is that fair? 

Why should dating be fair? Every aspect of life is determined by human nature. Is human nature fair? 

You're trying to change something that is unchangeable. It's almost like saying lions should stop eating flesh and start eating leaves and grass. But a lion is not programmed for that. However you can argue that a lion is promoting toxic Masculinity by attacking a deer. But that's what lions are supposed to do. That's how they survive. It's indeed unfair and biased and hurtful to the deer, against ethics and morality. 

But does a lion give a fuck about your morality.i don't think so. 

Humans might be better than animals but we aren't completely free of our animal nature. Remember we have a reptilian brain. We cannot control hunger, thirst, sleep, these cannot go away with modernity. A child sucking his thumb is not going to go away with modernity. Your taste buds won't change because of modernity. Your lungs still need oxygen. They are not going to switch to carbon dioxide because of modernity. What I mean is that certain animal aspects of our human psyche remain static and won't change despite leaps in technology. 

Survival aspects are deeply coded in our DNA. They are a part of our reptilian brain. These aspects aren't pleasant, moral or ethical. But they are what they are and shouldn't be sugar coated. If you don't reality the easier way you will only learn it the harder way 

Millions of women depend on men. It's their reality. Just like millions of people are poor. You can't change these things nor can you blame these things. 

A woman needs a man for her survival and security. She is attracted to men who can provide her better. 

If you told me to pick a man out of a row of 20 men, I will most likely pick a guy who looks more masculine, taller and stronger, better looking with a stronger jaw and a better BMI. I won't feel attracted to shorter weaker timid looking men. Even if those men were nice to me. It won't matter because they simply cannot generate attraction in me. But why should I be shamed for something I feel naturally. That's just my biology. You can't shame someone's biology as long as it's not criminal. 

We want basic ethics in society to ensure that innocent people don't die. But we cannot remove all layers of our biological programming because it's simply impossible. You'll have to wipe out everyone. It's like saying get rid of people who masturbate to porn. Think how many people you would need to eliminate. 

Our humanity is combined of both human and territorial aspects. These territorial aspects are the reptilian parts. That's why women are attracted to bad boys. You can reprogram this slightly. Make her want a bad boy who is slightly better than a caveman. But you can't change her completely and make her want a passive timid guy. 

There's nothing  healthy in this world. People are addicted to coke and junk food everyday. Only certain aspects are healthy but everything cannot be perfect. You can tell a child to stop playing video games. But you cannot tell him to stop eating candy. 

What I'm saying is you're trying to achieve the perfect recipe for humanity minus all toxicity. But that's ridiculous and very idealistic. Nothing will ever be perfect. Most people are average on the scale of consciousness. Nobody is too animalistic nor is anyone a perfect Saint. It's best if you drop idealism and embrace reality and stop  sugarcoat brutal realities. 

 

[Ry4n]

1 hour ago, Tyler Robinson said:

I'm not promoting anything other than reality. You're trying to sugarcoat reality by using masks of toxic Masculinity and femininity. You don't understand that survival is brutal. You can create utopia in your mind but life is always unfair. The world is unfair. Everything is unfair. Instead of sugarcoating to satisfy your mind, adapt to circumstances. 

No relationship survives where the woman does better than the man. Learn to gain practice experience instead of spouting off theories. 

In reality women are programmed to rely on men for survival. It's nature. If it's toxic, yea it doesn't align with the principles of humanity. But so does anything else including rape, abuse, crime, murder, divorce, death, disease, disability and everything else. 

There's so much economic disparity in the world. Is that fair? People eat meat. Is that fair? 

Why should dating be fair? Every aspect of life is determined by human nature. Is human nature fair? 

You're trying to change something that is unchangeable. It's almost like saying lions should stop eating flesh and start eating leaves and grass. But a lion is not programmed for that. However you can argue that a lion is promoting toxic Masculinity by attacking a deer. But that's what lions are supposed to do. That's how they survive. It's indeed unfair and biased and hurtful to the deer, against ethics and morality. 

But does a lion give a fuck about your morality.i don't think so. 

Humans might be better than animals but we aren't completely free of our animal nature. Remember we have a reptilian brain. We cannot control hunger, thirst, sleep, these cannot go away with modernity. A child sucking his thumb is not going to go away with modernity. Your taste buds won't change because of modernity. Your lungs still need oxygen. They are not going to switch to carbon dioxide because of modernity. What I mean is that certain animal aspects of our human psyche remain static and won't change despite leaps in technology. 

Survival aspects are deeply coded in our DNA. They are a part of our reptilian brain. These aspects aren't pleasant, moral or ethical. But they are what they are and shouldn't be sugar coated. If you don't reality the easier way you will only learn it the harder way 

Millions of women depend on men. It's their reality. Just like millions of people are poor. You can't change these things nor can you blame these things. 

A woman needs a man for her survival and security. She is attracted to men who can provide her better. 

If you told me to pick a man out of a row of 20 men, I will most likely pick a guy who looks more masculine, taller and stronger, better looking with a stronger jaw and a better BMI. I won't feel attracted to shorter weaker timid looking men. Even if those men were nice to me. It won't matter because they simply cannot generate attraction in me. But why should I be shamed for something I feel naturally. That's just my biology. You can't shame someone's biology as long as it's not criminal. 

We want basic ethics in society to ensure that innocent people don't die. But we cannot remove all layers of our biological programming because it's simply impossible. You'll have to wipe out everyone. It's like saying get rid of people who masturbate to porn. Think how many people you would need to eliminate. 

Our humanity is combined of both human and territorial aspects. These territorial aspects are the reptilian parts. That's why women are attracted to bad boys. You can reprogram this slightly. Make her want a bad boy who is slightly better than a caveman. But you can't change her completely and make her want a passive timid guy. 

There's nothing  healthy in this world. People are addicted to coke and junk food everyday. Only certain aspects are healthy but everything cannot be perfect. You can tell a child to stop playing video games. But you cannot tell him to stop eating candy. 

What I'm saying is you're trying to achieve the perfect recipe for humanity minus all toxicity. But that's ridiculous and very idealistic. Nothing will ever be perfect. Most people are average on the scale of consciousness. Nobody is too animalistic nor is anyone a perfect Saint. It's best if you drop idealism and embrace reality and stop  sugarcoat brutal realities. 

 

TLDR;
Life hard so imma be shitty 

[something_else]

8 hours ago, Ry4n said:

I’m communicating that it’s more than looks and money that make a long term relationship which is true. Obviously looks and money attract, money matters in a logistic sense, but outside of that that doesn’t make a long term relationship and there’s way more that goes into than that. It’s really you who’s trying to simplify this issue as if it’s nothing but hierarchies that is itself naïve; those hierarchies only matter to such a degree with regards to attraction, not long term romantic relationships. 
In modern society it is both genders that need to be the “bread winner”. 
Nice collection of assumptions for a literal stranger on the internet btw. 

How attractive/valuable you are is very important for both initiating and maintaining a long term relationship.

They are foundational. If you are not attractive/valuable then why should you expect that anyone would want to commit to you and love you for the rest of their life?

How that value/attraction is provided is different for men and women. But looks and success do play a big role in attraction. Among many many other things.

It is also a noticeable pattern that the people who consistently and bitterly talk about how much they resent superficial attraction, tend to be those who struggle with it. 

As a guy if you develop yourself into an attractive person then it makes it much easier to start building healthy long term relationships

Edited November 13, 2022 by something_else

[Tyler Robinson]

15 hours ago, Ry4n said:

TLDR;
Life hard so imma be shitty 

Your responses to my arguments are very flippant. Why would a woman choose you over the numerous men chasing her? 

 

[mr_engineer]

On 11/13/2022 at 1:57 AM, something_else said:

What are the chances you meet the perfect girl for you on your first try?

Almost zero

Why are there so many dudes with zero experience on the forum preaching about how to approach dating recently, it’s so silly. You all need to go and actually talk to some women romantically before deciding you know what you’re talking about

Its a strategy employed by low value dudes to compensate in the dating market for being low value

Defending redpill comes across as pretty low-value to me. It's limiting-beliefs that you need to overcome. 

Your way is not the only right way. Be open to other ways of doing things. 

[mr_engineer]

@something_else If you want to make this personal, fine. Let's do this. 

People like you are the reason why we're still stuck in the patriarchy. Because of this conquest-mindset. This is why we're having to deal with feminism and the evils of it. This shaming of guys without results is why incel-shootings happen. 

Why don't you want to allow for different ways of doing things, that aren't ridden with toxic masculinity?! Why are you anti-love?! This prioritization of pragmatism ensures that there can be no love between people. 

Your definitions of 'masculinity' are also fundamentally wrong, by the way. It's not about 'conquest' or 'achievement'. It is about giving, first and foremost. This is something that David Deida talks about in his book 'The Way of the Superior Man'. Read some fucking books. 

Edited November 17, 2022 by mr_engineer

[something_else]

2 hours ago, mr_engineer said:

It's limiting-beliefs that you need to overcome. 

How do you know what is or isn’t a limiting belief when it comes to matters of dating?

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People like you are the reason why we're still stuck in the patriarchy. Because of this conquest-mindset. This is why we're having to deal with feminism and the evils of it. This shaming of guys without results is why incel-shootings happen. 

There are a lot of assumptions about my position here. You don’t even really understand what my position is. I am not pro-redpill. I think redpill is a toxic mindset that has some minor aspects of truth to it around how women get attracted.

Most of what you say about masculinity I agree with. It doesn’t contradict anything I have said. You assume because I think it is valuable to explore sexuality and relationship dynamics with a reasonable amount of girls before settling down, that I am anti-love and toxic. 

I am pro-experience, not pro-redpill. I think it is valuable to gain experience with a reasonable amount of different girls before you decide you know who you want to settle down with or who is most compatible with you. Some people will be more lucky in this regard, but on average most people are going to need more than one attempt at the very least because compatibility is extremely complex and most people aren’t compatible.

Incel shootings happen because guys feel hopeless about their ability to attract girls. Maybe we should help them lose their virginity instead of telling everyone else to stay virgins.

Raising them up, instead of bringing everyone else down to their level, is a better solution

Edited November 17, 2022 by something_else

[mr_engineer]

7 minutes ago, something_else said:

How do you know what is or isn’t a limiting belief when it comes to matters of dating?

To say that 'there is an absolute hierarchy of men, some are high-value and some are low-value' is a limiting-belief. Women will never ever say this if you ask them about it. 

This is a very real projection of the rating-system that men use to rate women. Even that's mostly bullshit for the common woman. It's important only for those women who make a living off of their beauty. Like models, actresses, strippers, etc. They need to appeal to what the consensus of men deems to be 'attractive'. Does not apply in dating. We only assume it does because this is how PUAs go about it. 

10 minutes ago, something_else said:

There are a lot of assumptions about my position here. You don’t even really understand what my position is. I am not pro-redpill. I think redpill is a toxic mindset that has some minor aspects of truth to it around how women get attracted.

Most of what you say about masculinity I agree with. It doesn’t contradict anything I have said. You assume because I think it is valuable to explore sexuality and relationship dynamics with a reasonable amount of girls before settling down, that I am anti-love and toxic. 

I am pro-experience, not pro-redpill. I think it is valuable to gain experience with a reasonable amount of different girls before you decide you know who you want to settle down with or who is most compatible with you. Some people will be more lucky in this regard, but on average most people are going to need more than one attempt at the very least because comparability is extremely complex and most people aren’t compatible.

Incel shootings happen because guys feel hopeless about their ability to attract girls. Maybe we should help them lose their virginity instead of telling everyone else to stay virgins.

Raising them up, instead of bringing everyone else down to their level, is a better solution

Fine, this is what you value. Because your priority in relationships might be sex, not love. That's fine. I respect that. 

I would suggest not projecting this priority-structure onto other guys. It's disrespectful when you first project this onto us and then make things personal. 

And, if you ask me whether I choose love or survival, I'll choose love. Because love is the absolute truth. From my perspective. You are free to call this spiritual ego if you want. Or bypassing. Cuz that's what it'll look like for someone with your priorities. 

[Ry4n]

On 14/11/2022 at 6:32 AM, Tyler Robinson said:

Your responses to my arguments are very flippant. Why would a woman choose you over the numerous men chasing her? 

I summed it up pretty well haha, the flippancy certainly saves time.

Answer to your Q: cos I ain't chasing her, just showing interest in a detached chill way. Everyone's got their own style assuming they're decent. 

[Ry4n]

On 13/11/2022 at 9:33 PM, something_else said:

How attractive/valuable you are is very important for both initiating and maintaining a long term relationship.

They are foundational. If you are not attractive/valuable then why should you expect that anyone would want to commit to you and love you for the rest of their life?

How that value/attraction is provided is different for men and women. But looks and success do play a big role in attraction. Among many many other things.

It is also a noticeable pattern that the people who consistently and bitterly talk about how much they resent superficial attraction, tend to be those who struggle with it. 

As a guy if you develop yourself into an attractive person then it makes it much easier to start building healthy long term relationships

A good drinking game would be to take a shot every time you say attractive or attraction ; I was talking about Long term relationships none of the points you made I disagree with, but rather that in LTRs overly valuing that is simplistic; the very fact you said it's foundational points to that. It's foundational not the end all be all. That was really all I was at least trying to communicate, maybe I did it poorly. 

[something_else]

5 hours ago, Ry4n said:

A good drinking game would be to take a shot every time you say attractive or attraction ; I was talking about Long term relationships none of the points you made I disagree with, but rather that in LTRs overly valuing that is simplistic; the very fact you said it's foundational points to that. It's foundational not the end all be all. That was really all I was at least trying to communicate, maybe I did it poorly. 

It’s like a barrier to entry. It’s hard to build a LTR if there isn’t attraction. It would be like building on quicksand.

Of course there are other aspects to an LTR, but pure attraction is the aspect that most guys struggle with so it is what requires the most attention. You can’t get any practice at the deeper parts of an LTR if you can’t even build attraction reliably first.

[Byun Sean]

Too much forum mental masturbation and not enough socialization.

ur not gonna get laid on the forum talking about how ‘corrupt’ women’s attraction process is.

get out there and socialize with women.

get experience building connections.

just my advice.