Women Should Become Better People For You To Get Love

[Ry4n]

3 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Then also get used to women not feeling attracted to your type. 

Also expecting women to simply drop their survival agenda when they have been programmed for it seems like toxic femininity to me. 

Oh I'm fine with that, it's that they will end up alone because statistically this is the direction we are going in; women are making more, men are making less and it's only going in that direction more. Nothing wrong with it, I don't care at all I'm not complaining, I know I can still score a quality person, it's just that this massive delusional demographic will end up alone. This is only your loss unless you're willing to date a man who makes less than you. 

Also you completely assumed what my type is or who I even am based off what I said so nice one. 

[Tyler Robinson]

 

Just now, Ry4n said:

Oh I'm fine with that, it's that they will end up alone because statistically this is the direction we are going in; women are making more, men are making less and it's only going in that direction more. Nothing wrong with it, I don't care at all I'm not complaining, I know I can still score a quality person, it's just that this massive delusional demographic will end up alone. This is only your loss unless you're willing to date a man who makes less than you. 

Also you completely assumed what my type is or who I even am based off what I said so nice one. 

At least I won't end up with a cuck 

 

[Ry4n]

6 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Also expecting women to simply drop their survival agenda when they have been programmed for it seems like toxic femininity to me. 

Women can survive on their own now so that statement is simply irrelevant; you're not dropping your survival agenda at all you're just admitting that this particular sexual preference is something you'll have to work around; we all have to adjust our desires because no one is going to tick all the boxes. 

It's actually this mindset being perpetuated that is toxically feminine because it presumes women still need a man to survive when this is simply not the case; you're promoting toxic masculinity AND toxic femininity right now with such unrealistic expectations. 

[Tyler Robinson]

 

1 minute ago, Ry4n said:

Women can survive on their own now so that statement is simply irrelevant; you're not dropping your survival agenda at all you're just admitting that this particular sexual preference is something you'll have to work around; we all have to adjust our desires because no one is going to tick all the boxes. 

It's actually this mindset being perpetuated that is toxically feminine because it presumes women still need a man to survive when this is simply not the case; you're promoting toxic masculinity AND toxic femininity right now with such unrealistic expectations. 

I'm just promoting survival agenda and nothing else. If survival agenda seems toxic to you, then welcome to planet earth. Survival is always tough and life is not handed to you on a silver platter. 

Tough titty! 

[Ry4n]

2 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

At least I won't end up with a cuck 

hahahaha. Trust me you won't have anyone watching cos they'll be nothing to watch! Unless you're willing to date a lower earning man of course; he could very well be the man of your dreams in literally every other aspect of human life, but you say no because of lower income? 

Well! Good luck to you then! Certainly won't be easy.

"I'm just promoting survival agenda and nothing else." No it's a sexual reference; you don't need a man to survive, and if you think you do then you're definitely the very furthest thing from a feminist. 

[Tyler Robinson]

23 minutes ago, Ry4n said:

hahahaha. Trust me you won't have anyone watching cos they'll be nothing to watch! Unless you're willing to date a lower earning man of course; he could very well be the man of your dreams in literally every other aspect of human life, but you say no because of lower income? 

Well! Good luck to you then! Certainly won't be easy.

"I'm just promoting survival agenda and nothing else." No it's a sexual reference; you don't need a man to survive, and if you think you do then you're definitely the very furthest thing from a feminist. 

I don't know what gave you the impression that I'm a feminist because I'm not. I even have a thread where i write how toxic feminism is. 

If a man earns less in general I won't take issue with it. I have dated a grave digger. I don't think they earn much. As long as he is earning more than me, im fine. I don't like the idea that my future husband will be making less than me. It makes me feel insecure. I have already been in relationships where the guy was making less than I did. Rather than making a big deal out of it, ironically it was him who would constantly complain about me making more than him to the point I was tired defending myself. I gave up on that relationship because everyday was a tug of war between who is better than who. I got tired of it, there was no peace. 

The problem with men who make less, especially lesser than their female counterparts, is not limited to income alone. The biggest concern is not money since it's going to be shared anyway. Survival and protection are valid concerns but even bigger concerns are insecurities. These men are not only not capable of providing and protecting (in case you expect women to compromise on that), but they are very weak insecure and they constantly want to overcompensate their lack in toxic ways by pressuring, manipulating, gaslighting, emotional abuse instead of dealing with their insecurities. They nag the woman to death out of fear of losing her. Eventually they prove to be more toxic than the toxic alpha men. With the toxic alpha providing men, you're at least protected and provided for, you won't even have that sliver with these men, suffer for something in return is a better payoff than suffer for nothing. In the end, most relationships are going to be toxic anyway. Why not have something to lose? 

[Tyler Robinson]

I think women are called the gentler sex for a reason. 

 

[Ry4n]

24 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

I don't like the idea that my future husband will be making less than me. It makes me feel insecure.

Yeah and that's an issue.

Plenty of non-abusive, non-insecure men who make less than their female counterparts; it's only an assumption that all lesser earning men would be this way. It may come from lived experience but it is still a generalisation. 

"I think women are called the gentler sex for a reason." There's studies that prove that men are actually the more emotional gender, so that statement is toxic masculinity. 

Maybe the insecurity those men feel about making less money comes from the toxically masculine idea that they need to earn more which you're promoting. You say you don't want a man who makes less, and the previous men in your life who did make less felt insecure about it. Coincidence? No it isn't. I'm certain they had their own issues on top of that and were extremely fucked up mentally no doubt, but the toxically masculine idea you're promoting contributes to that very problem. 

"In the end, most relationships are going to be toxic anyway." Wrong. That also sounds like an excuse to use a man for his money.

[Tyler Robinson]

 

1 minute ago, Ry4n said:

Yeah and that's an issue.

Plenty of non-abusive, non-insecure men who make less than their female counterparts; it's only an assumption that all lesser earning men would be this way. It may come from lived experience but it is still a generalisation. 

"I think women are called the gentler sex for a reason." There's studies that prove that men are actually the more emotional gender, so that statement is toxic masculinity. 

Maybe the insecurity those men feel about making less money comes from the toxically masculine idea that they need to earn more which you're promoting. You say you don't want a man who makes less, and the previous men in your life who did make less felt insecure about it. Coincidence? No it isn't. I'm certain they had their own issues on top of that and were extremely fucked up mentally no doubt, but the toxically masculine idea you're promoting contributes to that very problem. 

"In the end, most relationships are going to be toxic anyway." Wrong. That also sounds like an excuse to use a man for his money.

I don't know why the onus of compromising sexual preferences is always placed on women meanwhile men are allowed to go scot free on this one. 

Why are my sexual preferences so threatening? 

I never pressured you or other men to sleep with ugly women. I never dictated men to change their sexual preferences in women. I never told you that you should give a chance to a 300 pound woman. You as a man get to sleep with whatever woman you find desirable. No idea why I can't do the same as a woman. 

I have made this curious observation that whenever women state their sexual preferences, it's immediately so threatening to men. But men express their sexual preferences, women are just supposed to accept it as a rite of passage. 

Even ugly women  don't need to feel like they aren't being accommodated or loved. Why is it necessary that all men need to be accommodated for, when the same privilege is not afforded to women. Don't women have feelings? 

If men can't compromise (not that they are even expected to in the first place), on their preferences in women, why should women be dictated over what they find desirable in men? 

If you can't keep your end of the deal, no sorry I don't have to keep mine either. It's a two way street. 

Discriminating women as beautiful, hot and ugly is just as toxic as using men for money. If men deserved to be loved and wanted, then women deserve it equally. 

Can't have your cake and eat it too! 

 

 

[Tyler Robinson]

18 minutes ago, Ry4n said:

There's studies that prove that men are actually the more emotional gender, so that statement is toxic masculinity. 

Women are more emotional (than). A 100% 100% 100%...prove me false. 

Let's see how you prove it. 

 

[Ry4n]

3 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

don't know why the onus of compromising sexual preferences is always placed on women meanwhile men are allowed to go scot free on this one. 

No we aren't; we're shamed for our preferences all the time. 

You're sexual preferences are not threatening to anyone but yourself it doesn't affect me. 

Men and women will both suffer the consequences of sleeping around too much. 

Both parties need to be accommodated for. 

Men are expected to compromise all the time. At the end of the day both should be working as a team. 

Looks and money are both attraction strategies that have nothing to do with real romantic love; overly valuing either is shallow on both ends. 

Here's the study I referred to:

https://www.ibtimes.com/are-women-more-emotional-men-not-really-study-finds-3324258

It's just very obvious that you've had some terrible relationship experiences that have made you biased around this issue; I just hope you aren't doing something to continuously attract such types because that's usually the case if this becomes a recurring pattern. 

We're all hurt in some ways, but it's never an excuse to take it out on anyone, including a naive man. Even just believing that men are like this creates a self-fulfilling prophecy and it is ugly. Beneath every abusive man you've ever known is a weak, vulnerable little child, and I can say that because I've been around abusive people I know how traumatising it can get. Continuing to demonise and dehumanise such people only prevents one from healing and letting go; it never justifies what they did but it does allow you to let it go. Don't stoop to the level of shallow people; there's plenty of guys myself included that care way more about personality and character than looks. Find those guys and you won't even have the thought of money enter your head. I guarantee it. 

[Tyler Robinson]

5 minutes ago, Ry4n said:

Beneath every abusive man you've ever known is a weak, vulnerable little child

Lmfao. The passes you give to men meanwhile calling me cheap. 

 

[Mesopotamian]

On 11/10/2022 at 7:28 PM, integral said:

@Mesopotamian Yes the perception a man has that his woman loves him is skewed and her love is highly conditional. As people grow up there survival needs change and eventually there needs move away from seeking love based on deficiency to love based on being. 

 

This is very useful information there about the five stages that a man or a woman goes through.. Thank you for sharing.

[Mesopotamian]

On 11/10/2022 at 7:35 PM, something_else said:

Is this based on real world experience with romantic relationships? It's possible your relationships have been toxic. Healthy relationships don't play out like this.

Relationships are all toxic, like is is a social construct that doesn't make any sense. 

The following can present a good explanation, 

 

On 11/10/2022 at 7:35 PM, something_else said:

You can play the game in a way where you are looking for a deeper connection.

meeting a lot of girls? this is insane! 

if you do so, please stop, why the criteria should be about the number of people you meet? maybe more importantly you need to find out how and where in this world first, or even in this universe.

It's kind of naive the approach of meeting a lot of girls, haven't you already met enough? why things went down the hill with your last girl?

I mean if things go downhill with like 3, 4, five girls, then isn't that an indication that there's something that's seriously wrong with your approach? 

Just generally speaking of course and not directed towards yourself.

On 11/10/2022 at 7:35 PM, something_else said:

Deep, healthy, and loving relationships take practice. You will almost certainly not get it right on your first try. Or probably even on your second or third try.

That's wrong,  decades are wasted on this seemingly stupid approach..

[Mesopotamian]

On 11/10/2022 at 7:35 PM, something_else said:

Deep, healthy, and loving relationships take practice. You will almost certainly not get it right on your first try. Or probably even on your second or third try.

As the title of the thread says "women need to be better people" so in my current believe, how is it possible that could you get better while you are 'practicing' with folks who are operating from a place of fear? you'll most likeley sooner or later become crazy youreself!

 

[Heart of Space]

10 hours ago, Ry4n said:

Looks and money are both attraction strategies that have nothing to do with real romantic love; overly valuing either is shallow on both ends. 

That's extremely naive.  You're not a being completely devoid of attributes.  

You have unique qualities that people place on a hierarchy.  Among those are looks and wealth for men.

The quicker you get over this idea, the quicker you will have an accurate judge of the reality you live in.  

Your view exists among men who lack those attributes.  It's a way for you to be more competitive on the dating market.  No offense.

Edited November 12, 2022 by Heart of Space

[something_else]

2 hours ago, Mesopotamian said:

meeting a lot of girls? this is insane!

What are the chances you meet the perfect girl for you on your first try?

Almost zero

Why are there so many dudes with zero experience on the forum preaching about how to approach dating recently, it’s so silly. You all need to go and actually talk to some women romantically before deciding you know what you’re talking about

Its a strategy employed by low value dudes to compensate in the dating market for being low value

[Mesopotamian]

3 hours ago, something_else said:

Why are there so many dudes with zero experience on the forum preaching about how to approach dating recently, it’s so silly. You all need to go and actually talk to some women romantically before deciding you know what you’re talking about

This is not for you bro, this is not an advice for the general public but something completely different. So take care..

 

[Ry4n]

13 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Lmfao. The passes you give to men meanwhile calling me cheap. 

 

If you could read I said it didn’t justify it, never called you cheap either, but I did say you promote toxic masculinity and femininity. 

[Ry4n]

8 hours ago, Heart of Space said:

That's extremely naive.  You're not a being completely devoid of attributes.  

You have unique qualities that people place on a hierarchy.  Among those are looks and wealth for men.

The quicker you get over this idea, the quicker you will have an accurate judge of the reality you live in.  

Your view exists among men who lack those attributes.  It's a way for you to be more competitive on the dating market.  No offense.

I’m communicating that it’s more than looks and money that make a long term relationship which is true. Obviously looks and money attract, money matters in a logistic sense, but outside of that that doesn’t make a long term relationship and there’s way more that goes into than that. It’s really you who’s trying to simplify this issue as if it’s nothing but hierarchies that is itself naïve; those hierarchies only matter to such a degree with regards to attraction, not long term romantic relationships. 
In modern society it is both genders that need to be the “bread winner”. 
Nice collection of assumptions for a literal stranger on the internet btw.