Are We Perceiving Reality As It Is?

[Anton Rogachevski]

By looking at the way an insane person is perceiving reality, in a completely different way than we do, we can see the twisting power the brain has, it's distorting what we consider to be "really out there" into its frame of limited experience.

So now we must ask ourselves whether we can really take it on faith that the so called "normal" way of perception is truly the accurate one. How do we know that we have the accurate picture? Maybe the crazy person is actually getting a glimpse into reality as it is.

Since we can only have our own personal perception we can never really know what's it's like outside it. The only thing to do is to remain open to the idea that there might be more than meets the eye.
 

[Guivs]

@Anton Rogachevski hey how are you doing?

You could also say that there does not exist any reality from its own side, independent from a cognition and interpretation of it. 

But I think that the way in which we are deluded when we see dependently arisen phenomena is that:

1) we think they are solid and unchanging. (you expect your hand to be the same hand tomorrow even though this ia not the case at all. It is always changing)

2) we do not think of phenomena in terms of parts. When you shake hands with someone, we do not think of that hands in terms of its parts: bones, blood, skin,...

3) we think that phenomena exist by themselves : when we see someone we believe they exist from their own side, but this is not the case. They exist only because : there is the ? on which they walk, air they breethe, your thoughts of them. Without it, nada

So,  seeing phenomena as they are is knowing this at an experiential level, maybe? Phenomena are more fluid than we think and always in movement. 

 

 

[PureExp]

I agree with @Guivs , perhaps I shouldn't say anything more

9 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

it's distorting what we consider to be "really out there"

You are only assuming that there is something else "really out there". Lets assume its true. Now how will the mind know it? Obviously it needs "probes", devices, to get the information, process it, store it and interpret it. In doing so, it will end up with something that is only symbolic. Such is the nature of mind, and it is by necessity, it can't do anything else. Even if a creature has a supermind, it will just perceive stuff in terms of refined and better symbols. For a mind, whats out there is always what it can access.

If you ask consciousness whats out there, it will say - nothing. There is only me alone. At most it will say - what do you want there to be? I'll conjure it up for you

9 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

How do we know that we have the accurate picture?

What is your definition of accurate picture? How should it look like according to you? Will you ever know if it is accurate enough?

[Anton Rogachevski]

@PureExp Hey thanks for your comment!

I won't know, but I'd stay openminded and never stop exploring into experience. It's the most fascinating thing there is.

[Neo]

There has to be a certain amount of "coherence" for life to survive. i.e. you give your offspring some milk and it takes the milk, drinks it and improves it's chances of survival. Of course, infinity may contain infinite examples of where this does not happen, and the child would not survive.

In the mind, however, it is abundantly evident that this life is one persons hell and another persons heaven.

[jse]

15 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

Are We Perceiving Reality As It Is?

That would be a worthy question for the 5-MeO DMT gods.

My personal feeling is that, perhaps we can never get to experience the true nature of a deep infinite underlying reality.

[Neo]

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That would be a worthy question for the 5-MeO DMT gods.

My personal feeling is that, perhaps we can never get to experience the true nature of a deep infinite underlying reality.

Is he actually asking about the infinite underlying reality though?

I assumed he meant you can peel back the layers in this "real" world.

[jse]

11 minutes ago, Neo said:

Is he actually asking about the infinite underlying reality though?

I assumed he meant you can peel back the layers in this "real" world.

You could be right - I have this tendency to look for a deeper meaning in most conversations, where often there is none to be found.

[Nahm]

15 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

By looking at the way an insane person is perceiving reality, in a completely different way than we do, we can see the twisting power the brain has, it's distorting what we consider to be "really out there" into its frame of limited experience.

So now we must ask ourselves whether we can really take it on faith that the so called "normal" way of perception is truly the accurate one. How do we know that we have the accurate picture? Maybe the crazy person is actually getting a glimpse into reality as it is.

Since we can only have our own personal perception we can never really know what's it's like outside it. The only thing to do is to remain open to the idea that there might be more than meets the eye.
 

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you have an itch that only quantum physics can scratch. There is a place in this study where you see that you are the chooser. 

[pluto]

As we are

[Anton Rogachevski]

1 hour ago, jse said:

That would be a worthy question for the 5-MeO DMT gods.

My personal feeling is that, perhaps we can never get to experience the true nature of a deep infinite underlying reality.

I actually was pointing towards true nature. But from a different door. Why do you think that we couldn't? Let's be optimistic about it : )

1 hour ago, Neo said:

There has to be a certain amount of "coherence" for life to survive. i.e. you give your offspring some milk and it takes the milk, drinks it and improves it's chances of survival. Of course, infinity may contain infinite examples of where this does not happen, and the child would not survive.

In the mind, however, it is abundantly evident that this life is one persons hell and another persons heaven.

I wouldn't suggest otherwise. My motive is to raise a deeper interest in the ultimate questions.

1 hour ago, Neo said:

Is he actually asking about the infinite underlying reality though?

I assumed he meant you can peel back the layers in this "real" world.

Aren't these two paths that lead to the same destination?

 

44 minutes ago, Nahm said:

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you have an itch that only quantum physics can scratch. There is a place in this study where you see that you are the chooser. 

I think that a good old inquiry will suffice.

 

26 minutes ago, pluto said:

As we are

Would you care to elaborate my dear sir?

[pluto]

We perceive it as we are