Lex Fridman vs Richard Wolf.

[Danioover9000]

   What are your thoughts about this interview? I thought it's not that good:

   Even Destiny is dunking on this one.

 

[Heart of Space]

Destiny is a professor of manipulating perception to seem right in a verbal exchange.  He's not a genuine intellectual at all.  No one should ever listen to that idiot.  Go read a damn book.  Turn off Destiny and block his YouTube channel.  He's a proverbial tiny dicked narcissist attention whore.  

I'll give this a listen.  

Edited November 8, 2022 by Heart of Space

[Heart of Space]

Destiny's opening argument: 

1)  US be number one in many things (said with expediency) 

2)  Look how terrible the USSR and other horrible "socialist" regimes are, therefore critiques of the US system from the left are invalid (said with expediency)

3)  Vague gesturing in the direction of modern successful mixed economic systems of Europe and Japan being complete failures as if nuance doesn't exist and their success can't be measured on a sliding scale (said with Adderall induced expediency this time because the worse his point is the faster he talks)

4)  Oh and he acknowledges the need for welfare, because he doesn't want you to think he's a libertarian.  

I can't watch anymore.  He's so stupid it hurts.  I need to go do something productive.  I just wanted to express my pain every time I see Destiny's name.  

Edited November 6, 2022 by Heart of Space

[Heart of Space]

The furthest right wing position is to go back to slavery.  Free labor via the barrel of the gun.  The pyramids weren't built by socialists after all.  

If Russia and Germany teamed up in world war 2, defeated the allies and then dominated the earth's natural resources, then Communism would be the dominant political ideology.  Destiny would be arguing how great the Axis countries are.  "They're NUMBER ONE in EVERYTHING!"

Also, we dominate the global market for resources via military and economic warfare and incentives.  Capitalists have a lot of very NATO friendly business arrangements which power the great western capitalist regimes.  

 

 

 

[Danioover9000]

@Heart of Space

1 hour ago, Heart of Space said:

Destiny is my bitch.  Destiny is a professor of manipulating perception to seem right in a verbal exchange.  He's not a genuine intellectual at all.  No one should ever listen to that idiot.  Go read a damn book.  Turn off Destiny and block his YouTube channel.  He's a proverbial tiny dicked narcissist attention whore.  

I'll give this a listen.  

   Thank you for giving this podcast a listen.

[Danioover9000]

@Heart of Space

59 minutes ago, Heart of Space said:

Destiny's opening argument: 

1)  US be number one in many things (said with expediency) 

2)  Look how terrible the USSR and other horrible "socialist" regimes are, therefore critiques of the US system from the left are invalid (said with expediency)

3)  Vague gesturing in the direction of modern successful mixed economic systems of Europe and Japan being complete failures as if nuance doesn't exist and their success can't be measured on a sliding scale (said with Adderall induced expediency this time because the worse his point is the faster he talks)

4)  Oh and he acknowledges the need for welfare, because he doesn't want you to think he's a libertarian.  

I can't watch anymore.  He's so stupid it hurts.  I need to go do something productive.  I just wanted to express my pain every time I see Destiny's name.  

   Oh, I've seen this one, even book smarts reviewed this online debate.

1) On the expediency part, Destiny has the consistent habit of saying a lot of things in fast paced tempo, with the sense of expediency. Also, him saying the US is number one in many things, already I can intuit he is heavily biased and has an American centric worldview, and a capitalistic centric worldview as well, which also matches up with himself identifying as a determinist, rationalist and online debate bro, which also means he is attached to the debunk mentality as well. I guess his SD is mostly stage orange/blue, which does explain him valuing logic and reasoning over feelings, and him having this undertone of western hemisphere/American centric bias. Due to his cognitive and moral development, it seems that yes, he's rationality bias and hyper logic framing tradeoffs his emotional intelligence, and his cognitive pattern, based on his body language, tonality, and over logical manner and measured behaviors, gives me the strong intuition that that is what he is, a logician with low empathy and emotional intelligence, which also affects his moral development. His morality first originated from a conservative, catholic family values, which still makes part of his worldview and informs most of his morality, although there had been conflicts and turmoil from his father and mother that capped his emotional and empathetic levels.

2) He was specifically referring to critiques from the Progressives, Socialists, communists and tankies in particular from online leftist biased platforms and streamers, more so than those from RL. However, this further shows his bias against them and his American centric worldview with capitalism. This also shows and is filtered by his personality type, being that of an introverted personality, with some degree of extroversion. Seems to me, as long as the framing of the discourse is in 3rd person perspective, objective and merely in one's argument and debate and language structure, that he does show higher degree of open mindedness and willingness to understanding points of perspective, at least in opposition to his resolution and argument layout. 

3) I also felt that his overall state, especially towards Richard Wolf and the entire debate, is one where he can't be bother anymore to take this seriously. I felt his state was mostly closed off from genuine dialogue, and largely in part of his neural typical brain, his earlier claims of him being autistic and literal and logic based, which biases him further towards consistency, numbers, correct linear sequencing, correct order of logic cause and effect.

4) Him being identified as a Libertarian makes sense, as Vaush also has that as part of his psyche and value as well before. That, combined with his narcissism, may have also enabled him to connect with Mr. Girl, at the very least as an opportunity for more clout and attention due to Mr. Girl's edgy and controversial takes with Pedophilia and misogyny.

[Danioover9000]

@Heart of Space

55 minutes ago, Heart of Space said:

The furthest right wing position is to go back to slavery.  Free labor via the barrel of the gun.  The pyramids weren't built by socialists after all.  

If Russia and Germany teamed up in world war 2, defeated the allies and then dominated the earth's natural resources, then Communism would be the dominant political ideology.  Destiny would be arguing how great the Axis countries are.  "They're NUMBER ONE in EVERYTHING!"

Also, we dominate the global market for resources via military and economic warfare and incentives.  Capitalists have a lot of very NATO friendly business arrangements which power the great western capitalist regimes.  

 

 

 

   I thought the furthest right-wing position is racism, ethnocentrism, and ethnic cleansing, which are limits and excesses of SD blue. Mass level crimes like mass shootings, mass looting, mass geocoding, mass sexual assaults and collective enslavement of inferior cultures is also SD excesses of blue/red/purple, somewhat purple but due to the scale it's no longer offshoots of tribal warfare between 100-1,000 tribal men/women, but between 10,000 to as many as millions-billions of people.

   True, if Russia and Germany teamed up, except the ideologies of Adolf Hitler was Nazism, but it still has small features of traditionalism from Germany culture, and when Adolf Hitler heard news of Stalin's communism allowing women into the Russian army, it was enough to disturb him because he still had traditional cultural Germanic values of what traditional women and men should be done as, so news that his Russian military was this liberal worried and disturbed Adolf enough that he committed to converting the entirety of Russia into Nazism at any cost, whilst trying to front  friendliness towards Stalin towards the issue of Poland invasion. Of course, Stalin wasn't that naive, Machiavellian and Narcissistic enough to prepared himself against Germany.

   Also at that time, Japan was allies with Germany and had territorial disputes with the Russians and a few skirmishes, whilst Spain was still in debt towards Germany owing billions to them. Germany, in this case Adolf Hitler, could have chosen to negotiate a debt relief to Spain in the condition it allies with Germany against the Allied powers, and would have added Spain into the German-Japan-Italy axis powers which would have drastically altered WW2 in the western front, whilst Germany coordinates with Japan against Russia. Underpinning these alternative choices, is that Adolf Hitler has to be willing to listen and keep most of his experienced generals, that was important enough because those generals are the ones that'll guide which war decisions he makes for the most part. Also, in this alternative history, Germany does not get the USA involved via letter of conspiracy towards Mexican revolution against the USA. Also, not holocaust of the Jewish communities, as 40% of Germany's workforce labor is from Jewish communities, in the real historic timeline, by deciding to get rid of 40% of his country's workforce crippled his military output by that much. So, this alternative history actually is feasible if Adolf Hitler was smarter and knowledgeable in warfare and 4d strategy thinking, and not have been riddled with fear barriers and insecurities of his childhood, teen and military experiences and lack of purpose and direction in life whilst he was pursuing a painter career.

   There's a bit more nuance to the capitalists in the western hemisphere and NATO, as that is simply because their bias and survival is tied to European centric views and American centric views and western bias.

Edited November 7, 2022 by Danioover9000

[Heart of Space]

@Danioover9000 Oh wow, that was a pretty epic psychological deconstruction.  

Yea, I mean I don't mean to emotionally overreact, but I get a little upset when internet debates like this are so hard fought for the battle of a perceived winner than an honest exploration of the ideas. 

The right wing comment;  I was more speaking generally, but yes I believe you could really push the limits of what's possible in terms of going in that direction.  I mean, we could say lets just entirely deregulate our economic system and it would devolve into a bunch of feudal lords, with private armies.  In modern day it'd translate to billionaires basically determining how your society is ran with vast levels of income inequality.   

Edited November 7, 2022 by Heart of Space