Trump bid for 2024

[Ramu]

Just a question:. How is it possible for former President Chump, to run again with all civil suits and potential criminal indictments he faces?  Is it all a gamble with regards to results of the mid terms?  Have we actually sunk so low as a Republic that we will elect a criminal to executive office again?

[Romanov]

On the bright side, we won’t have Trump lose again unless he decides to run. I say it’s worth him running-but only if he loses again. Trump is literally the best the GOP’s got from their point of view. Let them put their best man on the line only so they can see him lose again. Clearly they’re not yet convinced that their shit stinks and I feel like I don’t want to take that opportunity away from the GOP.

Edited November 6, 2022 by Romanov

[Heart of Space]

@Ramu Alright, bud, all we need to do is just dangle a juicy joint on a string over Texas and get some of the Californians to move to Texas and you'll never have to worry about Trump again.  

[Tyler Robinson]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... 

[Willie]

2 hours ago, Heart of Space said:

@Ramu Alright, bud, all we need to do is just dangle a juicy joint on a string over Texas and get some of the Californians to move to Texas and you'll never have to worry about Trump again.  

Californians have already moved to Texas in droves this past decade. Give it another decade of the same, and Texas may go purple.

[Heart of Space]

1 hour ago, Willie said:

Californians have already moved to Texas in droves this past decade. Give it another decade of the same, and Texas may go purple.

Well, I'll tell you I watched Ted Cruz almost lose to Beto last time and it was a hell of a close one.  

[Raze]

5 hours ago, Willie said:

Californians have already moved to Texas in droves this past decade. Give it another decade of the same, and Texas may go purple.

They are moving there because they are upset with the Democrats way of running California, you can’t assume they will or have liberal voting records in the future. The main reason Texas was shifting purple was because of the growing Latino population, but lately they have been shifting red with little sign of stopping.

[Hardkill]

6 hours ago, Raze said:

They are moving there because they are upset with the Democrats way of running California, you can’t assume they will or have liberal voting records in the future. The main reason Texas was shifting purple was because of the growing Latino population, but lately they have been shifting red with little sign of stopping.

The shift to more red in Texas is only temporary. If you if you look at the trend of electoral history, Democratic presidential candidates have in the long run been winning more and more of a greater percentage of the votes in Texas since 2000 to 2020. Also, Beto O’rourke was close to defeating Senator Ted Cruz in the 2018 senate midterm elections. 

Its not just because of the increasingly amount of Latinos in Texas. Since 2000, there have been a number of other factors that have been making the state more liberal including: the growing amount of black people and asian people having migrated from the western and northern states, the growing number of young liberal folks having also migrated from the northern and western states, increasing amount of urbanized areas and densely populated areas, and increasing amount of smart and educated people. Also, despite Texas being one of the most religious states in the country, as time goes on, there will be more secular people in Texas as the younger generations take over the older generations. Younger generations generally are more open minded because they usually grow up in more contemporary environments that influence them to either have more liberal religious/spiritual beliefs or become agnostic or become atheist. Older generations tend to be more dogmatic because they are generally more set in their beliefs during older age and usually have grown up in more old fashioned environments that influenced them to have more conservative religious beliefs or have more traditional values. 

Edited November 7, 2022 by Hardkill

[r0ckyreed]

Trump never won. If any election was stolen (as MAGAs claim), it has been stolen from democrats for the past decade (Al Gore, Hillary Clinton). Electoral college is arbitrary and nonsense. Popular vote is what is objective. The problem is always bias.

Edited November 9, 2022 by r0ckyreed

[Ramu]

Well so much for the big red wave.  Looks like Trump actually galvanized the democrats to go to the polls en masse.  So much for MAGA.  Now all we need is Clarence Thomas to be impeached as he's obviously under undue influence from his MAGA crazy wife...to influence his rulings on the bench.  

[ted73104]

Looks like the candidates supported by Trump didn't perform well this time.

[sholomar]

Trump may end up fracturing the republican party because some of his followers simply won't give up and move on. The amusing thing about his most hardline supporters to me is how they are all anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists despite the fact Trump has taken the vaccines and boosters and promoted them as safe.

I'd say they need to push a Desantis/Noem ticket as their best chance of winning. I don't care if they win or not though. Like Leo said in part 2 of his video on the left, the republicans would at least present some value if they promoted fiscal conservatism, but most of their base are modern monetary theorists who want to use the central banks to do more QE and keep pumping asset bubbles and overspending.  As it stands what do republicans actually bring to the table? They want to ban abortion and pot. Yawn.

Trump killed his chances by saying he'd dig up things on Desantis. He's done now. It's time for his base to move on.

Edited November 10, 2022 by sholomar

[Raze]

On 11/7/2022 at 0:35 AM, Hardkill said:

The shift to more red in Texas is only temporary. If you if you look at the trend of electoral history, Democratic presidential candidates have in the long run been winning more and more of a greater percentage of the votes in Texas since 2000 to 2020. Also, Beto O’rourke was close to defeating Senator Ted Cruz in the 2018 senate midterm elections. 

Its not just because of the increasingly amount of Latinos in Texas. Since 2000, there have been a number of other factors that have been making the state more liberal including: the growing amount of black people and asian people having migrated from the western and northern states, the growing number of young liberal folks having also migrated from the northern and western states, increasing amount of urbanized areas and densely populated areas, and increasing amount of smart and educated people. Also, despite Texas being one of the most religious states in the country, as time goes on, there will be more secular people in Texas as the younger generations take over the older generations. Younger generations generally are more open minded because they usually grow up in more contemporary environments that influence them to either have more liberal religious/spiritual beliefs or become agnostic or become atheist. Older generations tend to be more dogmatic because they are generally more set in their beliefs during older age and usually have grown up in more old fashioned environments that influenced them to have more conservative religious beliefs or have more traditional values. 

We just had 4 years for older conservative voters to die, younger liberal voters to reach voting age, for Beto to expand his name recognition, and Beto just lost to Abbott by 4x the votes he lost to Cruz, in a midterm where democrats did remarkably well.

It is primarily because of the increase of Latino’s in Texas, everything else you listed is just a minor point.

1) 95 percent of Texas population growth was Latino, the growth of black and Asian population would have made a extremely minor different, also Asian and black voters have also been trending rightward.

2) The rate of college enrollment has now been declining 

3) Religious people are also much more likely to have children and the country has always had periods of religious decline and religious revival.

You cannot just claim that everything will become blue because young people are liberal, it isn’t that simple. By that logic it should have already happened or be happening in every state. It isn’t, states like Florida are actually trending red for example.

The main reason Texas was trending purple was the Latino population, however that will change as Latinos have been trending to vote more republican. Perhaps in the far future the next generation will turn Texas purple, but that is in such a long period of time it’s really not worth trying to predict. Both parties could be unrecognizable.