Elon Musk Twitter Trainwreck Mega-Thread

[StarStruck]

2 minutes ago, Hello from Russia said:

No

He just has hardcore standards, thats his bias

What's funny, if I ever wanted to work for somebody, I'd probably would love to work for someone like Elon Musk

The thing is, he asks for much, but he also rewards you much more for your work. That's just a different way to have a corporate culture than you are used to have

I personally love such hardcore hard working environment when everyone around me cares about the result and pushes their genius. It's really cool feeling when everyone cares about excellence. You guys miss it a lot as most of you have never been in top 0.1% teams/structures

And it's not about money

If you are the best of the best in your niece go work for him. Survival of the fittest has its upsides and downsides.

[Oeaohoo]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Stage Green people run social media companies. Which is far superior to stage Blue or Orange running them. But Blue and Orange feel this is wrong. Musk is imposing Orange and soon he will learn that Green was better.

That's what all this boils down to.

As a fellow Stage Yellow Systems Thinker, I completely agree…

All of this has happened before. Every culture has developed into a civilisation and every civilisation has become decadent, resulting in extreme tensions between urban and rural life. Every time that this has happened, the rural population have been stirred on by a demagogic strong-man to rise up and crush the urbanite. Why would this time be different? Because some Boomers came up with a stupid theory about spiralling upwards forever? Delusional.

 

[Hello from Russia]

4 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

If you are the best of the best in your niece go work for him. Survival of the fittest has its upsides and downsides.

I don't care about working for anyone as I have 0 inclinations to it

I hate 99.9% working environments and don't like people who run them/participate in them

Its not a matter of could or could not. If I really wanted to work for Elon, I'm sure I would join him with relative ease

Edited December 5, 2022 by Hello from Russia

[StarStruck]

5 minutes ago, Hello from Russia said:

I don't care about working for anyone as I have 0 inclinations to it

I despise 99.9% working environments and people who run them

Its not a matter of could or could not. If I really wanted to work for Elon, I'm sure I would join him with relative ease

I doubt you would survive in such an environment.

[LSD-Rumi]

1 hour ago, Hello from Russia said:

No

He just has hardcore standards, thats his bias

Nope. I don't think he geneuinly cares about his workers. It is just that our socities are developed enough to protect us from greedy bussinessmen and sometimes they even fail in doing that.

1 hour ago, Hello from Russia said:

The thing is, he asks for much, but he also rewards you based on your effort. That's just a different way to have a corporate culture than you are used to have

of course he will care about you, you are a valuble asset for him. Just like a slave owner care about his strongest slave 

1 hour ago, Hello from Russia said:

I personally love such hardcore hard working environment when everyone around me cares about the result and pushes their genius. It's really cool feeling when everyone cares about excellence. You guys miss it a lot as most of you have never been in top 0.1% teams/structures

Yeah I love that too. That's great, but that's not my point. I am talking about average workers, not elite workers

 

1 hour ago, Hello from Russia said:

And it's not about money

it is about accoplishment and feeling that you are doing something big. It is an ego high essentailly. But it is also about money.

[Hello from Russia]

1 minute ago, LSD-Rumi said:

eah I love that too. That's great, but that's not my point. I am talking about average workers, not elite workers

But that's the whole point

Yes, it's not at all for average workers, it's for working elite

Average workers time better spent in Amazon warehouse or whatever. Or some stuff like Starbucks

[LSD-Rumi]

1 hour ago, Hello from Russia said:

But that's the whole point

Yes, it's not at all for average workers, it's for working elite

Average workers time better spent in Amazon warehouse or whatever. Or some stuff like Starbucks

Dude, average is everywhere. Average doctors, engineers, peots, philosphers, life coaches,,etc. Average doesn't mean you are working at Starbucks. 

You are romantisizing dude. Tesla like any other company has a lot of average workers. It is not like they are all geniuses or something. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by LSD-Rumi

[Hello from Russia]

7 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

I doubt you would survive in such an environment.

Who the are you to tell me that? 

I've been able to work 16 hours straight for days without weekends while performing in highly competitive environments

What basis you have to project that on me? 

[Oeaohoo]

25 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Can you be clear about this agenda? What's this agenda? What does it seek? 

A lot of the time it was obvious that the agenda wasn’t even ideological. Most of the people who worked at Twitter, and even more so the “blue-check mark” journalists who loved it so, were (and still are, and always will be!) useless managerial bureaucrats, completely out of touch with the concerns of ordinary people. They couldn’t stand it when anyone burst their little bubble of mediocrity and smug self-satisfaction.

[Tyler Robinson]

Just now, Oeaohoo said:

A lot of the time it was obvious that the agenda wasn’t even ideological. Most of the people who worked at Twitter, and even more so the “blue-check mark” journalists who loved it so, were (and still are, and always will be!) useless managerial bureaucrats, completely out of touch with the concerns of ordinary people. They couldn’t stand it when anyone burst their little bubble of mediocrity and smug self-satisfaction.

Then what was the agenda? 

 

[Hello from Russia]

27 minutes ago, LSD-Rumi said:

Dude, average is everywhere. Average doctors, engineers, peots, philosphers, life coaches,,etc. Average doesn't mean you are working at Starbucks. 

You are romantisizing dude. Tesla like any other company has a lot of average workers. It is not like they are all geniuses or something. 

Sure

No, we should have great working conditions and protections, especially for average workers, I'm all for that

But also we shouldn't discourage hardcore working environments with that. Maybe we should have some laws in place such that if a person has a demanding position, he should be legally compensated at least 2x or maybe even more. But I'm sure it already exists culturaly within Elon's company's infrastructure

The mistake here, in my opinion, is to destimulate that kind of working culture too much. We need more proper companies like this, not less. What we need is less orange abuse.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Hello from Russia

[StarStruck]

14 minutes ago, Hello from Russia said:

Who the are you to tell me that? 

I've been able to work 16 hours straight for days without weekends while performing in highly competitive environments

What basis you have to project that on me? 

What value could you provide Elon Musk?

[Oeaohoo]

1 minute ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Then what was the agenda? 

That is an agenda. The agenda of the useless worker who wants to maintain their useless career, and who doesn’t want anyone reminding them how useless they are!

I referred to the main agenda in my previous post: it is civilisation against culture, the cosmopolitan elite against the masses and the Rightist counter-elite. In the recent midterms, 98.7% of Twitter employee donations were to the Democratic Party, and the recent “Twitter Files” thread (which I also linked above) showed that most of the manipulation that was going on at Twitter went over the head of Jack Dorsey, the CEO.

Like Leo said, the short answer is “Wokeism”, though the terms “Globohomo” and “Woke Capital” cut closer to the bone.

[Tyler Robinson]

6 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

That is an agenda. The agenda of the useless worker who wants to maintain their useless career, and who doesn’t want anyone reminding them how useless they are!

I referred to the main agenda in my previous post: it is civilisation against culture, the cosmopolitan elite against the masses and the Rightist counter-elite. In the recent midterms, 98.7% of Twitter employee donations were to the Democratic Party, and the recent “Twitter Files” thread (which I also linked above) showed that most of the manipulation that was going on at Twitter went over the head of Jack Dorsey, the CEO.

Like Leo said, the short answer is “Wokeism”, though the terms “Globohomo” and “Woke Capital” cut closer to the bone.

In short you want to say this is Liberal Fascism? 

[Oeaohoo]

It’s the agenda of Nietzsche’s Last Man, the soulless bug man who blinks into space whilst declaring, “We have discovered happiness!”

[Tyler Robinson]

8 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

It’s the agenda of Nietzsche’s Last Man, the soulless bug man who blinks into space whilst declaring, “We have discovered happiness!”

Oh I get it now. 

[Oeaohoo]

Just now, Tyler Robinson said:

In short you want to say this is Liberal Fascism? 

You mean the book by Jonah Goldberg? I haven’t read it personally but I can’t stand guys like Shapiro and Goldberg. They are mediocre minds who got where they are through nepotism and in-group preference, not through high-IQs and an unrivalled work ethic…

I don’t mean to be rude but that is a very silly term. Liberalism and Fascism are completely antithetical. Goldberg was clearly trying to make a silly move, smearing liberalism with the “evils of Fascism”. Typical kvetching. Conservatives try to be clever like this sometimes but it never works out.

I understand that you mean a kind of enforced liberalism, which is indeed more or less what I am referring to. A much more profound author, who also happens to be Jewish, Paul Gottfried, calls this “soft totalitarianism” and “therapeutic managerialism”. These are much better terms.

[Tyler Robinson]

2 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

You mean the book by Jonah Goldberg? I haven’t read it personally but I can’t stand guys like Shapiro and Goldberg. They are mediocre minds who got where they are through nepotism and in-group preference, not through high-IQs and an unrivalled work ethic…

I don’t mean to be rude but that is a very silly term. Liberalism and Fascism are completely antithetical. Goldberg was clearly trying to make a silly move, smearing liberalism with the “evils of Fascism”. Typical kvetching. Conservatives try to be clever like this sometimes but it never works out.

I understand that you mean a kind of enforced liberalism, which is indeed more or less what I am referring to. A much more profound author, who also happens to be Jewish, Paul Gottfried, calls this “soft totalitarianism” and “therapeutic managerialism”. These are much better terms.

I agree. Fascism makes it look exaggerated 

 

[Oeaohoo]

1 minute ago, Tyler Robinson said:

I agree. Fascism makes it look exaggerated 

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2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Paying that $1B fine would have been the best money he ever spent.

Yup but it would involve him basically admitting defeat and swallowing his pride which is just not something he’d ever do