Elon Musk Twitter Trainwreck Mega-Thread

[LSD-Rumi]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Rings true.

Musk is an immature visionary, similar to Kanye. The only way Kayne can be successful is because very serious hardworking people keep him on the rails and put up with his bullshit as part of their job. But then he takes all the credit and money.

If this is true then how did he  succeed in his first bussiness? paypal I guess?

I always thought of him as an overrated figure but noway to this level tbh.

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, LSD-Rumi said:

If this is true then how did he  succeed in his first bussiness? paypal I guess?

I always thought of him as an overrated figure but noway to this level tbh.

Paypal was developed by like 10 guys. Many of them smart and serious. But also, Paypal, like most early internet successes, simply lucked out by being at the right place at the right time. That's mostly what massive success is about, not work effort or being the best.

Also, success breeds arrogance. Musk's success has gone to his ego I suspect. When you get that much money, power, and fame, it really tests your character and highlights all your flaws. Musk can afford to be sloppy these days. And his political beliefs have always been shallow, as businessmen tend to be because it suits them.

Ethics and good politics is bad for business. It's as simple as that. You get ahead by being a narcissitic ruthless asshole. Which is why women are attracted to it.

You don't get to be the richest guy in the world without being ruthless and insensitive.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Thetruthseeker]

I agree there’s always a team around musk. He’s never on his own. 
But I still think the accomplishment of Tesla and SpaceX is amazing. 
It’s easy to criticise musk, but how many people could have done what he did with those companies and have the vision, willing to trust big decisions, and just overall be capable of everything it takes to run those huge companies… 

I see my friends criticising musk when they can’t even get to work on time, never mind be CEO of a worldwide companies with 10’s of thousands of employees 

[Leo Gura]

Musk is certainly amazing in his narrow fields.

The problem is when he steps beyond that.

Just cause I'm good at Actualized.org does mean I would be a good doctor, lawyer, or politician.

But progressives and leftists definitely don't appreciate Musk's value and genius. It's just that this Twitter deal is Musk as his worst. We all have our bad days.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Guest Tobia]

@Leo Gura just because you are good at running actualized.org does not mean you are good at evaluating a multi-billion dollar purchase of a technology company.

You are expressing an opinion like any other random guy on the street.

People like you said for YEARS that Tesla would have no chance. 

Twitter may fail. Twitter may also become something like WeChat in China and expand it into a financial instrument.

The reality is that... you have no idea. and yet here you are confidently mocking someone who is trying their best.

Go listen to the all-in podcast and get the perspective on the Twitter sale from 4 tech investors and venture capitalists each worth 200M-1B. They know what they are talking about

 

[Leo Gura]

Obviously it's my opinion. But Musk clearly doesn't know what he is doing when it comes to free speech and moderation. That much is obvious from his behavior. I'm not questioning his ability to make money, but his understanding of how to manage socio-political aspects of a platform.

Musk is treating Twitter like a tech problem. You cannot code nor tech-bro your way out of politics.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Leo Gura

[thisintegrated]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Obviously it's my opinion. But Musk clearly doesn't know what he is doing when it comes to free speech and moderation. That much is obvious from his behavior. I'm not questioning his ability to make money, but his understanding of how to manage socio-political aspects of a platform.

Still the most fair platform on the internet.  Who does it better?

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

Still the most fair platform on the internet.  Who does it better?

YouTube handles moderation excellently.

There is no need to reinvent the wheel.

Twitter was already an exceptionally toxic place and Musk's decisions are only adding fuel to the fire.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Leo Gura

[thisintegrated]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

YouTube handles moderation excellently.

You must be unaware of the China issues on YouTube.

All the Hong Kong videos got demonetized and/or hidden by the algorithm.

All videos critical of China get the same treatment by YouTube.

Yet YouTube has no problem with staged videos of "happy dancing Uighurs" by CCP-sponsored shills.

[How to be wise]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

When you get that much money, power, and fame, it really tests your character and highlights all your flaws.

Yeah it’s difficult...

 

[spiritual memes]

Unpopular opinion: twitter has always been the worst social media platform and it actively makes politics worse. I'm glad its going up in flames and hope it gets completely destroyed.

[StarStruck]

Musk achieved what he achieved because he is what he is. You can’t achieve what he achieved by being sane, non-egoistic, lovey-dovey. If he had those qualities he wouldn’t be running shit. He would be somewhere in hut smoking DMT and busting nuts. 

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

But Musk clearly doesn't know what he is doing when it comes to free speech and moderation. That much is obvious from his behavior

As of now Musk has not meddled with the existing content moderation policies. The hate speech simply increased just by the people reacting to Musk buying the platform. Now it's coming down to it's normal levels as was the case before the deal. 

Even the definition of what constitutes hate speech is exactly as same as was before the deal. I have a strong feeling that you are going overboard with your analysis which is quite narrow. 

Making twitter feature rich, removing child sexual abuse content are among the most important priorities of Musk. There were plenty of flaws with twitter before Musk. 

Even more importantly twitter was already a dying platform that was losing money. So no matter how altruistic, was the woke lefitsts before Musk, it would not have mattered anyway since there would not have been a twitter.

Musk and his team is single-handedly trying to save a sinking ship. 

5 minutes ago, spiritual memes said:

twitter has always been the worst social media platform

Tiktok says hi.

Obviously a nerd like Musk won't be best when it comes to managing socio political aspects of anything. But he thinks like a normal person with common sense.

It's becoming increasingly hard to ignore the abuse of power from the left. 

The lefitsts media is openly celebrating a fraud sam bankman fried who stole billions worth of common man's money. I wonder where is all the objective reporting has gone. NYT is even inviting him to speak at a conference with Zelensky. 

Someone using the N word on twitter is more harmful for society rather a fraud stealing billions of dollars of common man's hard earned money, according to leftists media. FTX is also, quite convinently, the biggest donor of the democrats it seems. 

Isn't the left playing the same dirty politics as Musk? 

And you can't just accept that Musk is playing it better than them. Musk is chasing the ideal of true free speech. It's worth it to support it at any cost. 

[Bobby_2021]

Big if true. 

 

 

 

[Raze]

 

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, thisintegrated said:

You must be unaware of the China issues on YouTube.

All the Hong Kong videos got demonetized and/or hidden by the algorithm.

All videos critical of China get the same treatment by YouTube.

Yet YouTube has no problem with staged videos of "happy dancing Uighurs" by CCP-sponsored shills.

Look, no platform will ever be perfect.

It's so silly when people cherrypick a few examples of moderation mistakes and then howl about it like wolves.

Dealing with China is extremely complicated. The US government doesn't even know how to do it well.

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

As of now Musk has not meddled with the existing content moderation policies. The hate speech simply increased just by the people reacting to Musk buying the platform. Now it's coming down to it's normal levels as was the case before the deal. 

Yes he has, by firing half the staff. There's no one left to moderate anything.

Plus he's allowing all the violators back.

He simply doesn't believe in moderation. That's the fundamental problem. Moderating a platform the size of Twitter requires entire buildings full of dedicated staff. It's not something that just takes care of itself. Musk fundamentally doesn't understand the depth of this problem and what harm/chaos it will cause.

People will be using Twitter to do everything from staging terrorist attacks, government coups, and Nazi rallies, to molesting children, to running scams, to selling drugs and high explosives, to sharing animal mutilation videos, to harassing every minority group there is, to doxxing people, to spreading every possible form of misinformation and conspiracy theory. And foreign spies will be using it to undermine democracy around the world.

And Musk is just acting like he can wing this based on his personal whims. This is not 2004 internet days. These social media platforms are way too mature for that now and they have enormous responsibilities to minimize social harm and predatory behavior.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

 

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[Roy]

I think the most annoying and pervasive problem these tech companies need to address is bots. Perhaps it's in their interest to have inflated numbers so they turn a blind eye, or maybe they don't know how to distinguish real users from bots, or even that they don't mind certain institutions or movements using bots if it aligns with their political or financial goals.

It's just frustrating seeing a lot of clear disinformation and influence being spread around using bots. You go to any Youtube video and can spot them immediately, and I'm convinced 80% of the women on dating apps are bots lol. Which is kind of disgusting and unethical because they are using a collection of a real persons pictures without their consent.

[Danioover9000]

@Roy

1 hour ago, Roy said:

I think the most annoying and pervasive problem these tech companies need to address is bots. Perhaps it's in their interest to have inflated numbers so they turn a blind eye, or maybe they don't know how to distinguish real users from bots, or even that they don't mind certain institutions or movements using bots if it aligns with their political or financial goals.

It's just frustrating seeing a lot of clear disinformation and influence being spread around using bots. You go to any Youtube video and can spot them immediately, and I'm convinced 80% of the women on dating apps are bots lol. Which is kind of disgusting and unethical because they are using a collection of a real persons pictures without their consent.

   I highly agree, hate when most tech companies or other companies misuse A.I programs and algorithms for their gain. I especially hate the A.I. drawing programs nowadays, and now some artists that use those are getting copyright strikes, it's ridiculous.

   Also ridiculous of how Elon Musk is degrading Twitter as time goes on. How many more days can the internet take of Elon Musk trolling and breaking Twitter before the internet's eyes?