Elon Musk Twitter Trainwreck Mega-Thread

[aurum]

I’m gonna miss Trevor Noah.

 

[Danioover9000]

@aurum

5 hours ago, aurum said:

I’m gonna miss Trevor Noah.

 

   Partially true, but half false sided.

[Frylock]

With how fast and hard Twitter is tanking in just two weeks after his ownership, a part of me wonders if it was his intention all along to destroy Twitter. Because the smart move would have been to just sit back and change nothing.

[Phil King]

https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-says-twitter-may-face-bankruptcy-as-more-staff-quit-and-top-regulator-issues-warning-12744311

"During his meeting with staff on Thursday, Musk reportedly warned Twitter may lose billions of dollars next year.

Bankruptcy was therefore not out of the question, he said, as the company grapples with $13bn (£11bn) of debt after his takeover deal and interest payments totalling almost $1.2bn (£1bn) over the next 12 months."

 

The paying for verification has already backfired horribly with the fake account trolling. There will be no twitter in 2025

[StarStruck]

The thing with simpletons is that they only look 1-2 moves ahead. Elon looks 200 steps ahead.

Which SD stage would you place him?

Edited November 11, 2022 by StarStruck

[Tyler Robinson]

He can destroy Twitter but what about Twitter users? Is he going to recruit thought police and put them in jail? 

Then what about free speech that he holds so dear? 

 

[Danioover9000]

@Tyler Robinson

26 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

He can destroy Twitter but what about Twitter users? Is he going to recruit thought police and put them in jail? 

Then what about free speech that he holds so dear? 

 

   Elon Musk is a husk, a former shell of himself. Well, He can destroy Twitter, but he's as subtle as a Trojan horse galloping into Troy, boy, I empathize with Twitter users. I think tit-for-tat Twitter sweeties need to see the light, that they are as addicted as an addict in a dinky basement. Best advice, be quitters, quit cold turkey and boycott early, slowly, so everybody sees this landslide rolling, before he rounds them up with his S police and trolling them into his campaign of chambers, further damaging political discourse even more.

   Remember, he was once South African, but can't cuz genetic disorder, Narcissism, put schism in his mind, an albino blind to his colour. Maybe it's all that greenery of bills in his windmill, if he thinks he's winning, all his winnings are more snitching, more bitching, more jinxing, more pissing into the blowing wind, thinking think and grow rich, but really, he's growing richer with his prick, a self-efficient golden shower system.

Edited November 11, 2022 by Danioover9000

[aurum]

11 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@aurum

   Partially true, but half false sided.

Which part did you find untrue?

[Hatfort]

Elon has fucked the Blue checkmark system that was working well before for his stupid 8$ idea to make some cash. Random people were impersonating public figures and commercial brands, obviously he had to stop. He is full of problems, he cannot monetize enough to pay his debt and interests, which are growing daily, companies don't want to put ads on his platform, part of his staff is resigning, progressive people who tend to be younger hate him now, he was a respected figure before, so that's a problem looking ahead. and he didn't even make libertarian self-called freedom of speech absolutists happy,

Jack Dorsey, the original creator of Twitter, is going to launch a new social network media called Bluesky Social soon. Maybe it will spread on Twitter itself ironically, and Elon can't do anything about it without censoring. If people and public figures start leaving, Musk is fucked.

https://bsky.app/

[Leo Gura]

On 11/9/2022 at 2:34 PM, KH2 said:

@Leo Gura It's kinda strange, seeing you being so skeptical of business decisions of individuals with 1000x net worth of this entire forum. It's fine to point out someone's character flaws and flaws in their worldviews and ideologies, hell, we all have them. But don't you think he posseses information most of us don't posses, and based of those information, he concluded that buying Twitter and charging $8, firing useless staff etc. was the best decision he could possibly make at that time? I don't think a stage orange narcisist would go against his own interests. He's not stupid

The meta-lesson you should have learned from listening to all my content is that just because a mind is good in some specialized areas does mean it's right in all areas. Most intelligent people are not broadly intelligent, they are very narrow specialists. Success != Intelligence/wisdom.

In this case, if you have been following this story since 6 months ago, it was clear that Musk had no deep understanding of how moderation or "free speech" works on online platforms. He seriously underestimated the depth of the issue of freedom in general, and overextended himself biz-wise. And I claim this happened because his libertarian, pro-biz, capitalist ideology blinded him. It's clear that his political opinions are pretty shallow, opportunitstic, and cringe. He's just not a deep political thinker because his thinking is highly biased by his involvment with business.

The problem is that a significant chunk of the culture just wants to give Elon a free pass and automatically assume that since he's been so successful thus far in biz, that he know how to fix social problems. It is a flawed and dangerous assumption. Someone like Musk should not even be allowed to be in the same building where governance of public spaces takes place. He is not going to magically save mankind from our social problems with more technology and more capitalism. Social evolution requires serious development in how we think about society, technology, and business. We don't lack technology or success, we lack wisdom and understanding.

I know more about how moderation works than Elon Musk because I spent 6 years every day moderating this place. So it's obvious to me that he doesn't understand the trickeries involved. He's way too flippant about the whole thing, noy appreciating how dangerous it can be if things are allowed willy-nilly.

Musk's biggest mistake is creating this distraction for himself from his core competecy at working on engineering design problems. Twitter is a social governance and communuty-building problem, not an engineering problem.

Edited November 12, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

The meta-lesson you should have learned from listening to all my content is that just because a mind is good in some specialized areas does mean it's right in all areas. Most intelligent people are not broadly intelligent, they are very narrow specialists. Success != Intelligence/wisdom.

In this case, if you have been following this story since 6 months ago, it was clear that Musk had no deep understanding of how moderation or "free speech" works on online platforms. He seriously underestimated the depth of the issue of freedom in general, and overextended himself biz-wise. And I claim this happened because his libertarian, pro-biz, capitalist ideology blinded him. It's clear that his political opinions are pretty shallow, opportunitstic, and cringe. He's just not a deep political thinker because his thinking is highly biased by his involvment with business.

The problem is that a significant chunk of the culture just wants to give Elon a free pass and automatically assume that since he's been so successful thus far in biz, that he know how to fix social problems. It is a flawed and dangerous assumption. Someone like Musk should not even be allowed to be in the same building where governance of public spaces takes place. He is not going to magically save mankind from our social problems with more technology and more capitalism. Social evolution requires serious development in how we think about society, technology, and business. We don't lack technology or success, we lack wisdom and understanding.

I know more about how moderation works than Elon Musk because I spent 6 years every day moderating this place. So it's obvious to me that he doesn't understand the trickeries involved. He's way too flippant about the whole thing, noy appreciating how dangerous it can be if things are allowed willy-nilly.

Musk's biggest mistake is creating this distraction for himself from his core competecy at working on engineering design problems. Twitter is a social governance and communuty-building problem, not an engineering problem.

   Yes, I absolutely agree here on specialized intelligence doesn't equal broad holistic intelligence, just because a person is hard wired for logic, that it automatically makes them well equipped to dealing with multiple problems from several areas. Twitter being heavily community building and social/political networking and media, and Elon Musk only being a visionary engineer, there's already too many misalignments for him to deal with, while trying to make profit and pay off some of his increasing debts he owes. Elon Musj is making his bed, and now must lie in it. I don't see anyway he can recover gracefully from this mistake without looking like a fool.

[John Iverson]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The meta-lesson you should have learned from listening to all my content is that just because a mind is good in some specialized areas does mean it's right in all areas. Most intelligent people are not broadly intelligent, they are very narrow specialists. Success != Intelligence/wisdom.

In this case, if you have been following this story since 6 months ago, it was clear that Musk had no deep understanding of how moderation or "free speech" works on online platforms. He seriously underestimated the depth of the issue of freedom in general, and overextended himself biz-wise. And I claim this happened because his libertarian, pro-biz, capitalist ideology blinded him. It's clear that his political opinions are pretty shallow, opportunitstic, and cringe. He's just not a deep political thinker because his thinking is highly biased by his involvment with business.

The problem is that a significant chunk of the culture just wants to give Elon a free pass and automatically assume that since he's been so successful thus far in biz, that he know how to fix social problems. It is a flawed and dangerous assumption. Someone like Musk should not even be allowed to be in the same building where governance of public spaces takes place. He is not going to magically save mankind from our social problems with more technology and more capitalism. Social evolution requires serious development in how we think about society, technology, and business. We don't lack technology or success, we lack wisdom and understanding.

I know more about how moderation works than Elon Musk because I spent 6 years every day moderating this place. So it's obvious to me that he doesn't understand the trickeries involved. He's way too flippant about the whole thing, noy appreciating how dangerous it can be if things are allowed willy-nilly.

Musk's biggest mistake is creating this distraction for himself from his core competecy at working on engineering design problems. Twitter is a social governance and communuty-building problem, not an engineering problem.

Can you make a video just for wisdom and understanding of moderation, free speech? anything that you are pointing out here. please

[Extreme Z7]

Elon Musk can't police immature people on Twitter because he himself is immature.

[Tyler Robinson]

Elon wishes he could own the whole world and turn it into a right wing rabbit hole. 

 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Extreme Z7 said:

Elon Musk can't police immature people on Twitter because he himself is immature.

That hasn't stopped me here 

[Hatfort]

6 hours ago, nuwu said:

@Hatfort  bluesky is a protocol of federated networks, similar to mastodon. i don't see it competing against twitter. musk definitely bought twitter while being knowledgeable about it, since dorsay and musk have been in close contact at some points. it would make sense if twitter adopted the protocol itself eventually.

the blue checkmarks are a bit meaningless right now, but it will probably be fixed with AI. i feel everyone in this thread is underestimating how bad twitter is from an engineering standpoint, and the vast potential of utility from a properly designed platform alone. he is right about twitter having tremendous potential. discord and youtube could all be replaced by twitter. in my opinion, your all too harsh with musk, he isn't alone in this. he probably gets advice from dorsay and most previous workers in the twitter company. musk doesn't have to hold the best political opinions himself in order to create some helpful platform full of constructive and global debates, as long as it will be inclusive and open-minded.

obviously, he is probably unaware of how tricky survival biases can be, nor how damaging a platform allowing those to be expressed and self-reinforced is. it's uncertain if twitter will end up being positive or negative to civilization.

nevertheless it would've been much easier to create a social network from scratch with 44B. at least if he knew what he was doing.

Yeah, having read more about Bluesky, it seems to be more like a protocol or system to avoid centralization. They are going to launch Bluesky Social as a trial, that part is true. However, if they think that an engineering and algorithm protocol is going to make their way out into lack of moderation by real people making decisions, I think they are going to fail the same way Elon has. There are sociological matters happening in these kinds of platforms that mathematics can't solve, as Leo has pointed out.

Maybe an alternative won't prevail but Elon will have to learn many lessons the hard way, as he is right doing right now. He has also a financial problem. Who is gonna pay for it?  Who is gonna pay 44 billion dollars plus interests? People are not willing to pay for subscriptions for what they had free before. Is he going to cry to daddy state like companies more than often do when things get difficult?

YouTube has proved to be a very solid platform over time and I don't think Twitter has a chance of replacing it. Discord has its niche too. Twitter had its own big niche functioning, but it has to know what it is, if Elon wants to change it into something else, I think it will fail.

[axiom]

12 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Elon wishes he could own the whole world and turn it into a right wing rabbit hole. 

I think he just wants to see more balance.

[Danioover9000]

@axiom

31 minutes ago, axiom said:

I think he just wants to see more balance.

   I think he just wants to copy and replicate himself, through a technocratic society, and be the Jullius Caeser of Mars, a very intelligent engineer that manipulates technologies.

[MarkKol]

On 11/11/2022 at 7:39 AM, aurum said:

I’m gonna miss Trevor Noah

Where's he going?

[thepixelmonk]

2 minutes ago, MarkKol said:

Where's he going?

He quit the daily show.