Question about using philosophy to reach omniscience

[Someone here]

@Leo Gura in your philosophy video you talked about using philosophy to reach omniscience and a total understanding of all of reality.  I wonder and I'm skeptical if that is possible..how is it possible to know everything in the world? 

 “Everything in the world” would include all the grains of sand on every beach, and the names of seven billion people, and every thought in the mind of each of them. No one can know all of this, and no one would really want to.

Einstein is quoted as saying, “The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don’t know”. To me, this illustrates how the illusion of total knowledge evaporates as we move closer to facing the infinite complexity of reality . Just the very fact that reality is infinite makes it unknowable.  How can you ever know everything about something that is endless? 

Perhaps the illusion of total knowledge is comforting because of fear of the unknown. Many people are too quick to pigeonhole their experiences, or pretend to have total knowledge of things they’ve never been exposed to because it’s scary to admit to themselves that many things exist in the darkness beyond the reach of their knowledge. 

So I have a few questions 

1. What's the definition of omniscience? 
2. You talked in the past about general omniscience and detailed omniscience..like you can know the zoomed out picture of the earth but you can't get all the little details of every particle of sand on the whole planet  .or is that kind of omniscience possible?  If so,how ?
3. How can you know everything when everything doesn't end ..so how can you reach the end of infinity?

Edited November 3, 2022 by Someone here

[Gesundheit2]

He said that there are five things that if you understood you would have omniscience. I don't remember what they were (I'm not interested in Leo's pure philosophy), but they were in the same last video.

Obviously, that doesn't really qualify as omniscience, but hey, I'll let Leo dream away.

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

He said that there are five things that if you understood you would have omniscience. I don't remember what they were (I'm not interested in Leo's pure philosophy), but they were in the same last video.

I remember 3 of them...

1-how is anything possible? 

2-what is anything? 

3- what is consciousness? 

I can't remember the other two .

7 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

Obviously, that doesn't really qualify as omniscience, but hey, I'll let Leo dream away.

It's simply impossible. The amount of knowledge that is available for free is vastly larger than any one person will ever have time to learn. The knowledge created in the next day may be more than you can learn in your entire life.

[Breakingthewall]

I suppose that with omniscience he means to the total understanding of reality, not to encompass all of reality and know all the atoms of the universe

[Someone here]

33 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I suppose that with omniscience he means to the total understanding of reality, not to encompass all of reality and know all the atoms of the universe

No .he means total understanding of everything in the entire universe.  This is not the first time he mentioned this . He talked about how consciousness is capable of intercontinental self-understanding. 

If someone  did know that..That person would be considered a god and worshiped by less developed individuals.

The god would eventually get so tired of knowing all that there is to know that s/he would choose to start forgetting so that s/he would experience a sense of adventure in which the answer was not known.

[Vibroverse]

You can reach total omniscience, about each and every atom and thing that exists, if you are that from which everything "emanates", but consciousness, in the form of being an individual human, probably would not be able to grasp all of that information, so a filtering is happening to make you that which is you as the individual human. 

 

[Someone here]

10 minutes ago, Vibroverse said:

You can reach total omniscience, about each and every atom and thing that exists, if you are that from which everything "emanates", but consciousness, in the form of being an individual human, probably would not be able to grasp all of that information, so a filtering is happening to make you that which is you as the individual human. 

 

But is that desirable? ? 

 Think about it..You know all things so you are essentially omnipresent throughout the universe at all points in time and you are in the minds of all living things so there is no such thing as a "new idea" since you would also know the possibilities, the future, the past, etc. There would literally be no purpose. Humans would have nothing to talk about since nothing would be funny or interesting since we all already know the rest of the sentence of the person who is talking to us. They would even know that we already know the rest of their sentence. In fact, there would be no point in bringing it up since the other person already knew that the first person would bring it up.?

[Vibroverse]

9 minutes ago, Someone here said:

But is that desirable? ? 

 Think about it..You know all things so you are essentially omnipresent throughout the universe at all points in time and you are in the minds of all living things so there is no such thing as a "new idea" since you would also know the possibilities, the future, the past, etc. There would literally be no purpose. Humans would have nothing to talk about since nothing would be funny or interesting since we all already know the rest of the sentence of the person who is talking to us. They would even know that we already know the rest of their sentence. In fact, there would be no point in bringing it up since the other person already knew that the first person would bring it up.?

You're right, that's why you're playing the game of not being omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. That would give you an infinite nervous breakdown. 

 

Edited November 3, 2022 by Vibroverse

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Vibroverse said:

You're right, that's why you're playing the game of not being omnipotent. 

 

 I don't feel like I'm playing a game of not being omnipotent.  I feel like I'm NOT omnipotent and I'm extremely limited in what can I do.

sorry to say this but there's absolutely nothing above Omnipotence, nothing. Omnipotence means having unlimited power and having no limitations whatsoever. A Truly Omnipotent being can affect anything and nothing and I repeat nothing can affect them no matter what kind of creative method/argument/concept you might come up with to find a loophole or to outsmart Omnipotence it just won't work. Omnipotence is the very peak of everything and anything, there is nothing more than Omnipotence otherwise it wouldn't be Omnipotent. Hypothetically, literally, philosophically, metaphorically, etc, speaking, Omnipotence is the top, the pinnacle. So if was omnipotent at some point in the past but I forgot.and deliberately chose to cut myself off my unlimited power...then I must be the dumbest omnipotent God ever ?

[Vibroverse]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 I don't feel like I'm playing a game of not being omnipotent.  I feel like I'm NOT omnipotent and I'm extremely limited in what can I do.

sorry to say this but there's absolutely nothing above Omnipotence, nothing. Omnipotence means having unlimited power and having no limitations whatsoever. A Truly Omnipotent being can affect anything and nothing and I repeat nothing can affect them no matter what kind of creative method/argument/concept you might come up with to find a loophole or to outsmart Omnipotence it just won't work. Omnipotence is the very peak of everything and anything, there is nothing more than Omnipotence otherwise it wouldn't be Omnipotent. Hypothetically, literally, philosophically, metaphorically, etc, speaking, Omnipotence is the top, the pinnacle. So if was omnipotent at some point in the past but I forgot.and deliberately chose to cut myself off my unlimited power...then I must be the dumbest omnipotent God ever ?

Yeah, you're so good at playing it that you've lost the awareness that you're playing it. And yes, you also are so infinitely intelligent that you can use that infinite intelligence of yours to experience infinite dumbness. And yes, us experiencing being human seems to be a part of that "project" somehow ?

Edited November 3, 2022 by Vibroverse

[Vibroverse]

That's the point where I imagine to be a difference between me and God, even though it, of course, is not an ontological, a substantial, difference, and give God the role of a guide, guiding me away from my stupidity, in a sense, in a way that makes sense to me. 

 

[Osaid]

I remember I tried asking for clarification on his use of the term "omniscience" in his alien mouse thread but he skipped over my question unfortunately

 

[Someone here]

9 minutes ago, Vibroverse said:

Yeah, you're so good at playing it that you've lost the awareness that you're playing it. And yes, you also are so infinitely intelligent that you can use that infinite intelligence of yours to experience infinite dumbness. And yes, us experiencing being human seems to be a part of that "project" somehow ?

Why does God cut himself (itself ) from his unlimited power? Just for suspense ? For adventure?  For it to experience what it's like to be a miserable fucking human being ?

BTW I don't believe in God. I believe that if there's a God he must be me and nobody else .but that takes us to the solipsism question which is a gnarly one that I won't get into here. 

I'm an Atheist, so I do not believe an omnipotent being exists. Just wanted to make that clear from the jump.

Now, the answer that believers in god used to give to the question of God's omnipotence was “Of course! An omnipotent being can create anything!”

But then us pesky skeptical thinkers started asking things like “Really? So can he create a pepper so hot that he can't eat it?” Or “Can he create a boulder so big that he can't lift it?” Or “can he build a wall so high that he can't climb it?” and things like that.

So then, just like always, in true “God Of The Gaps" rationale, the religious types shifted their goalposts and started claiming “an omnipotent being isn't REALLY omnipotent. He's maximally omnipotent. He can do anything that can be done, that doesn't tread all over the fundamental and universal laws of logic.”

Which, if you ask me, is a massive cop-out and quite simply embarrassing for them. Because either God is unlimited in every possible way and can do whatever the fuck he wants to just by thinking it into existence...and the mysterious thing is he chose this absurd existence to incarnate as .  God must be a weird mofo.

[Thought Art]

Leo includes psychedelics in his Pure Philosophy (Trade Mark of Leo Gura Inc).

In my new Qigong Book for Enlightenment the person who wrote the forward basically defined Enlightenment as Omniscience. Thought that was cool. 

All this stuff will need to be contemplated in more detail over the years. I am bowing to the depth and breadth of reality.  

[Someone here]

10 minutes ago, Osaid said:

I remember I tried asking for clarification on his use of the term "omniscience" in his alien mouse thread but he skipped over my question unfortunately

 

good question.  Yeah sometimes when you corner Leo he just ignores you. But I don't think that he is making this shit up . Buy he is always ambiguous and mysterious when cornered.

 Supposedly, An omniscient being knows everything, including what he himself will do in the future.

And An omnipotent being, on the other hand, can do anything, including committing a random act that he did not himself foresee.

Of course, people try to get out of this conundrum by claiming that God is “above” logic, but that’s nothing more than a cheap dodge. It’s like claiming that God exists “outside of time” in order to explain how he could have created the universe in the first place. It’s a linguistic loophole without any actual semantic meaning.

[Vibroverse]

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Why does God cut himself (itself ) from his unlimited power? Just for suspense ? For adventure?  For it to experience what it's like to be a miserable fucking human being ?

BTW I don't believe in God. I believe that if there's a God he must be me and nobody else .but that takes us to the solipsism question which is a gnarly one that I won't get into here. 

I'm an Atheist, so I do not believe an omnipotent being exists. Just wanted to make that clear from the jump.

Now, the answer that believers in god used to give to the question of God's omnipotence was “Of course! An omnipotent being can create anything!”

But then us pesky skeptical thinkers started asking things like “Really? So can he create a pepper so hot that he can't eat it?” Or “Can he create a boulder so big that he can't lift it?” Or “can he build a wall so high that he can't climb it?” and things like that.

So then, just like always, in true “God Of The Gaps" rationale, the religious types shifted their goalposts and started claiming “an omnipotent being isn't REALLY omnipotent. He's maximally omnipotent. He can do anything that can be done, that doesn't tread all over the fundamental and universal laws of logic.”

Which, if you ask me, is a massive cop-out and quite simply embarrassing for them. Because either God is unlimited in every possible way and can do whatever the fuck he wants to just by thinking it into existence...and the mysterious thing is he chose this absurd existence to incarnate as .  God must be a weird mofo.

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Why does God cut himself (itself ) from his unlimited power? Just for suspense ? For adventure?  For it to experience what it's like to be a miserable fucking human being ?

BTW I don't believe in God. I believe that if there's a God he must be me and nobody else .but that takes us to the solipsism question which is a gnarly one that I won't get into here. 

I'm an Atheist, so I do not believe an omnipotent being exists. Just wanted to make that clear from the jump.

Now, the answer that believers in god used to give to the question of God's omnipotence was “Of course! An omnipotent being can create anything!”

But then us pesky skeptical thinkers started asking things like “Really? So can he create a pepper so hot that he can't eat it?” Or “Can he create a boulder so big that he can't lift it?” Or “can he build a wall so high that he can't climb it?” and things like that.

So then, just like always, in true “God Of The Gaps" rationale, the religious types shifted their goalposts and started claiming “an omnipotent being isn't REALLY omnipotent. He's maximally omnipotent. He can do anything that can be done, that doesn't tread all over the fundamental and universal laws of logic.”

Which, if you ask me, is a massive cop-out and quite simply embarrassing for them. Because either God is unlimited in every possible way and can do whatever the fuck he wants to just by thinking it into existence...and the mysterious thing is he chose this absurd existence to incarnate as .  God must be a weird mofo.

 

[Vibroverse]

@Someone here what is it that you're really trying to understand? 

 

[Someone here]

12 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Leo includes psychedelics in his Pure Philosophy (Trade Mark of Leo Gura Inc).

In my new Qigong Book for Enlightenment the person who wrote the forward basically defined Enlightenment as Omniscience. Thought that was cool. 

All this stuff will need to be contemplated in more detail over the years. I am bowing to the depth and breadth of reality.  

Omniscience is often regarded as impossible by folks who are unable to think outside their own three dimensional grasp of reality.

Scientifically, to possess what we humans would consider omniscience, one might  need a fourth, or fifth dimensional being. Maybe there's infinite dimensions that we don't know shit about? Who knows ? 

8 minutes ago, Vibroverse said:

@Someone here what is it that you're really trying to understand? 

 

To understand how to achieve omniscience in this lifetime and this particular incarnation as this particular human.

[Thought Art]

@Someone here did you just say you were an atheist?

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Thought Art said:

@Someone here did you just say you were an atheist?

I don't believe in the Christian, Jewish, Islamic god . You know, the bearded man up in the clouds....

I believe in the one and only god. Existence itself.