Veganism debate.

[Danioover9000]

   What are your thoughts? Is Vegan Gains or Destiny right, or are they too confused and lost in language and don't see the relativity of their positions?

 

[CultivateLove]

On 10/30/2022 at 2:16 PM, Danioover9000 said:

or are they too confused and lost in language and don't see the relativity of their positions?

This. In almost every single debate, philosophy or ideology since the dawn of mankind, this has been the case.

[Carl-Richard]

Destiny's veganism position is a peak case of intellect without wisdom. You don't need a deep discussion to figure out why killing an animal might be wrong.

[Danioover9000]

@Carl-Richard

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Destiny's veganism position is a peak case of intellect without wisdom. You don't need a deep discussion to figure out why killing an animal might be wrong.

   I am willing to bet, that Destiny himself hasn't been to those slaughterhouses, and saw, in his perception and experiences of how those animals are handled and killed. Largely why Daniel Schmachtenberger is who he is, is because one of those factors is his earlier exposer to how they handled animals.

   Vegan Gains is a very questionable person to be the spokesperson for Veganism though. So, ultimately, both these narcissistic dead-beat online game junkies mental masturbating to pixels in a screen, are just playing games at this point.

[Shane Hanlon]

I've found Earthling Ed to be the most compassionate example of a veganism advocate.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVRrGAcUc7cblUzOhI1KfFg

[Jannes]

I wonder if you can contemplate what the experience of an animal is deep enough with psychedelics. If I imagine long and deep enough to be a pig I might end up having a pig experience. 

Edited November 30, 2022 by Jannes

[thepixelmonk]

7 minutes ago, Jannes said:

I wonder if you can contemplate what the experience of an animal is deep enough with psychedelics. If I imagine long and deep enough to be a pig I might end up have a pig experience. 

Pigs are the fifth most intelligent animal on the planet fyi. Higher up than dogs. And this is the existence we give them -__-

Edited November 30, 2022 by thepixelmonk

[Jannes]

1 minute ago, thepixelmonk said:

Pigs are the fifth most intelligent animal on the planet fyi. Higher up than dogs.

Sure they are probably some of the smarter animals but I don’t think they are the fifth most intelligent. But what is your point anyway?

[thepixelmonk]

3 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Sure they are probably some of the smarter animals but I don’t think they are the fifth most intelligent.

Yes they are. Actually a recent list seems to have moved them up to fourth: https://sentientmedia.org/which-animals-are-most-intelligent/

Edited November 30, 2022 by thepixelmonk

[Jannes]

14 minutes ago, thepixelmonk said:

Yes they are. Actually a recent list seems to have moved them up to fourth: https://sentientmedia.org/which-animals-are-most-intelligent/

I don’t think they are in a particular order. I mean there is no way a pig is more intelligent then a chimp. 

[thepixelmonk]

1 hour ago, Jannes said:

I don’t think they are in a particular order. I mean there is no way a pig is more intelligent then a chimp. 

They are widely considered possibly smarter than chimps. At the absolute least they are extremely close equals. Look into the science dude. This is common knowledge. Just goes to show how deep your biases run around what you consider food.

Edited November 30, 2022 by thepixelmonk

[Jannes]

1 hour ago, thepixelmonk said:

They are widely considered possibly smarter than chimps. At the absolute least they are extremely close equals. Look into the science dude. This is common knowledge.

Where? No it’s not common knowledge. Yes I know that pigs are smart, I heard that often. But I never heard that they rival the smartest animals. I love pigs though.

1 hour ago, thepixelmonk said:

Just goes to show how deep your biases run around what you consider food.

I was vegan for 3 years and now I am vegetarian lol. 

[thepixelmonk]

18 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Where? No it’s not common knowledge. Yes I know that pigs are smart, I heard that often. But I never heard that they rival the smartest animals. I love pigs though.

https://sentientmedia.org/pig-intelligence/
https://www.rotecna.com/en/blog/the-pig-an-intelligent-animal/
https://www.seeker.com/iq-tests-suggest-pigs-are-smart-as-dogs-chimps-1769934406.html
 

18 minutes ago, Jannes said:

I was vegan for 3 years and now I am vegetarian lol. 

I mean you should know how smart they are then.

Edited November 30, 2022 by thepixelmonk

[Jannes]

17 minutes ago, thepixelmonk said:

https://sentientmedia.org/pig-intelligence/
https://www.rotecna.com/en/blog/the-pig-an-intelligent-animal/
https://www.seeker.com/iq-tests-suggest-pigs-are-smart-as-dogs-chimps-1769934406.html

Interesting. In my head I just have chimps, dolfins, orcas, crows, parrots, orang utan, gorilla and maybe elefants and octopus before pigs but I could be wrong.

17 minutes ago, thepixelmonk said:

I mean you should know how smart they are then.

I remembered that they are smarter then dogs and although dogs are smart they are a good chunk away from the smartest living things on earth. 
 

But what does it really matter anyway. They are pretty ass smart and are able to experience a wide variety of emotions. 

[Danioover9000]

@thepixelmonk

6 hours ago, thepixelmonk said:

They are widely considered possibly smarter than chimps. At the absolute least they are extremely close equals. Look into the science dude. This is common knowledge. Just goes to show how deep your biases run around what you consider food.

   Oh yes, now I want to eat more piggies and veggies. Give my brain more vibrancy, pork ribs and brandy flavoured pork bellies. Maybe pork jerky with some Jack Daniels, in a podcast with Jack Sparrow and Daniel Schmachtenberger, showing off how I BBQ my ten burgers, at mack ten, in zen mode, smacking timbers into hell's kitchen, with timbre and rhythm while Twittering how Twitter is screwing it's new twat witb fueds by deep fake accounts.

   What? Can't hats off of my own dome Nietzsche's Hog Day? All I want is a corn in the cob, bot some cob of webs while on cobblestones contemplating my milestones. Them glory days, of hogging my own limelight...with a bucket of limed fries.????????????????

[LSD-Rumi]

I would say eating animals is ethical if they are raised well and killed well which is very far from what is actually happening. But even then, meat might become an expensive delicacy. So yeah animals sadly will continue to suffer for a while. My heart goes for those poor chickens. They suffer the most I feel. From bad genes to being raised in horrible crowds.

[Tyler Robinson]

What about lab meats? 

[Danioover9000]

@Tyler Robinson

51 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

What about lab meats? 

   That's the future, but right now they're too expensive to mass produce., only the rich and well equipped parts of society will have lab meat first.

[Danioover9000]

@LSD-Rumi

On 2022-12-01 at 3:39 AM, LSD-Rumi said:

I would say eating animals is ethical if they are raised well and killed well which is very far from what is actually happening. But even then, meat might become an expensive delicacy. So yeah animals sadly will continue to suffer for a while. My heart goes for those poor chickens. They suffer the most I feel. From bad genes to being raised in horrible crowds.

   Yes, my position as well, sad days for the pork, cows, chickens, maybe sheep, maybe lambs. Definitely Turkeys for sure as well as farm industry raise salmon.

[thepixelmonk]

1 hour ago, Tyler Robinson said:

What about lab meats? 

This is the main current solution that I see. Like Dani mentioned it just has to get to a point where it can be mass produced.