Why Nothing is not the best pointer to Reality.

[Razard86]

Thing is just a perception, a sensory perception which you can just shorten to the word Sense. As a result a more direct pointer is to say Reality is NON-SENSE. It is NON-SENSE, that creates illusions through sense making. This sense making is done elaborately, through not just sensory perceptions but also crafting stories which provide meaning and purpose. 

So nothing is not the most direct pointer, the more direct pointer is Nonsense. If all sensory perceptions collapse....there is no reality. All reality is just sensory perceptions, through which storylines are crafted to create a life.

Reality is a story.....the interconnected web of SENSE-MAKING. This is why....if you are attached to logic...which is SENSE-MAKING you will NEVER awaken to yourself as God. You are a magician, which creates illusion upon illusion through the senses, you have to drop all attachments to senses completely and reverse-engineer/deconstruct your magic tricks/illusions. Once you figure out how you are fooling yourself....you have now realized yourself as God. 

Now you can rest in the knowledge that you have been guiding yourself the entire time....all of the infinite parts of you.

Free Will is an illusion you offer yourself by creating a sense of separation, once you realize you were never separate you offer up that free will to universal will which is the highest form of freedom....complete and utter detachment. You also realize that your previous opinion of free will was an illusion, because selfishness is not free, its clingy and needy, whereas complete lack of self is the ultimate freedom.

Infinity is so free its total and complete, it can only experience its freedom through the illusion of the finite. So what you discover when you completely awaken is that all you wanted to give yourself is unconditional love, which is true freedom. Your life when truly realized= ultimate freedom. With the ILLUSION of danger, why? Because you are immortal. 

Edited October 30, 2022 by Razard86

[Someone here]

One of the biggest obstacles in this work is "fear of going insane" or losing your mind. But that's the biggest trap. You never had a Mind to lose. You can't go nuts cuz in a sense all states are equal. 

Trying to keep yourself "sane" if you are doing this work correctly is doomed to fail because "sanity" is a distinction or a limitation that you are trying to maintain but ofcourse reality is groundless and unlimited. In other words insane. Not sane. Not insane. 

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

One of the biggest obstacles in this work is "fear of going insane" or losing your mind. But that's the biggest trap. You never had a Mind to lose. You can't go nuts cuz in a sense all states are equal. 

Trying to keep yourself "sane" if you are doing this work correctly is doomed to fail because "sanity" is a distinction or a limitation that you are trying to maintain but ofcourse reality is groundless and unlimited. In other words insane. Not sane. Not insane. 

Exactly

[Zeroguy]

@Razard86 you are still fascinated with armchair philosophy to prove to us we are God.

Please make some thread on practical ways we can implement in order for self love.

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

Exactly

So do you agree with the notion that reality seem incomprehensibly mystical and beyond any attempt to box it in any conceptualization or framework ? Simply because It's infinite .and our tools (logic ,reason ,science, spirituality etc ) are inadequate finite tools ?

[Tyler Durden]

11 hours ago, Someone here said:

One of the biggest obstacles in this work is "fear of going insane" or losing your mind. But that's the biggest trap. You never had a Mind to lose. You can't go nuts cuz in a sense all states are equal. 

Trying to keep yourself "sane" if you are doing this work correctly is doomed to fail because "sanity" is a distinction or a limitation that you are trying to maintain but ofcourse reality is groundless and unlimited. In other words insane. Not sane. Not insane. 

But if you go "insane", there will be consequences. "Others" are going to call you crazy and you will be put in a mental hospital. I guess you created that institution in order to keep yourself inside an illusion without questioning it too much. Even the waking dream has its rules.

[vladorion]

Reality cannot be pointed to because pointing implies something distinct in your experience, some aspect of it.

The highest that can be pointed to are aspects of manifestation, such as presence or awareness.

[Oppositionless]

the beauty of intelligent design over nothingness

[Blackhawk]

Wherever you go, whatever you do: reality is there, with you.

[VeganAwake]

Nothingness is just a word describing the unknowable nature of reality...ie.... if you zoom in close enough on any particle there's simply nothing there..... it becomes ridiculous or unfathomable. Reality is not something to be gotten because it's not even a something..... it's off the scale unknowable sort of speak and yet the appearance is an explosion of light color and sound. 

It's something and it's simultaneously nothing = 0

♥ 

 

Edited October 31, 2022 by VeganAwake

[Gnosis]

The fear of going insane in a genuine investigation into truth is not a fear, it's an intuition.

That intuition is correct. You're not going insane. You are insane.

Not following through with it is the definition of insanity.

When you follow through with it all the way—sanity.

How else will it work when the name of the game is endless self-deception?

[Razard86]

On 10/30/2022 at 8:36 AM, Zeroguy said:

@Razard86 you are still fascinated with armchair philosophy to prove to us we are God.

Please make some thread on practical ways we can implement in order for self love.

Wow patience...what do you think I am trying to do? Its a process....I'm inching towards. That first post I just contemplated on more and more and I realized the profoundness of it. I need you to do the same. 

For example....Thought is a perception....a sense, so is sight (people forget this one), so is physical touch, taste, smell, so is the various emotions as well. These are all senses. Now...what many don't know is that silence is a form of sound...you can hear silence...which is the absence of what you call sound....so here is the BIG clue....lack of sense....is ALSO A SENSE. You see we get distracted by all our senses...what you need to focus your attention or sensing....is the GAP between all senses.....its there!!! That GAP...is INFINITY. DO YOU HEAR ME? THE GAP BETWEEN all sensory perception IS WHAT YOU ARE. That GAP is the same GAP when you enter the deep sleep, DREAM LESS SLEEP. Because since all existence or reality to us or life to us is sensory perceptions then the lack of any....would be to us DEATH/NON EXISTENCE. The funny thing is....you can sense that you are DEAD right now. I have noticed that if you take consciousness altering substances...they can free up or loosen your tightness or contracted sense of being the body which can make these practices easier to sense. 

 

I have another pointer for you. Make your index finger move.... notice that you can not make your index finger move by having a thought of I'm going to make it move. Try it. Think I'm going to move my index finger and you can see that the thought of I'm going to move my index finger doesn't move it. The only reason you REALIZE you are moving it is because of two things. Its connected to the body....which you identify as YOU, and you can FEEL that you are moving it. Notice this is just an identity trick. So....if I numbed your finger....you couldn't feel you are moving it....but you could still move it. Notice that you cannot explain...how you are moving it. Try it....you will notice...you cannot explain how you are moving your finger.....it just happens. Well that ability to move your finger....IS WILL. If you can notice that you can move your finger....without being aware you are moving it...the same way with breathing....and your heart beating....and your hair/nails growing....then you can realize....you are doing the same thing....with every thing you see =Weather, people....etc. 

Listen to a video with some headphones, close your eyes and listen intently. You'll notice that you can hear those voices within you, try to latch your attention onto every word, what you will notice....is you can predict what they are going to say slightly before they say it...why? Because those voices you are hearing inside? YOU are speaking them....inside....they are YOUR VOICE. 

We keep making distinctions between OTHER sensations....when every sensation is our sensation....even the ones we cannot sense. When Leo talks about raising consciousness he is saying.....the ability....to sense EVERYTHING. We play a disassociation game with ourselves, and create OTHERS to fool us!!! Which is HILARIOUS!!!!

There is a song I use to sing in church as a kid. It went like this....He's got the whole world in his hand!"

If you can sense into the gap between all sensory perceptions....and notice you are HOLDING all the perceptions within you....then you will see you have the WHOLE WORLD in your hand. The hand of your awareness. You are that empty lack of perception (cannot be seen, touched, tasted, smelled, or heard) but surprisingly...it can be felt....the same way you can feel silence you can feel the lack of any perception. That lack of perception is the hand of God which holds the WHOLE WORLD

Edited November 1, 2022 by Razard86

[Razard86]

On 10/30/2022 at 9:53 AM, Someone here said:

So do you agree with the notion that reality seem incomprehensibly mystical and beyond any attempt to box it in any conceptualization or framework ? Simply because It's infinite .and our tools (logic ,reason ,science, spirituality etc ) are inadequate finite tools ?

The answer is yes and no. It is not beyond comprehension in the sense that comprehension is a story, and all it does is craft stories. As a result whatever stories it creates is always right....as long as it believes its own stories. Its also no because all stories are just self-imposed limitations, it can transcend any story it tells....but without story....it doesn't exist. So it needs to fool itself with elaborate stories.....so that it can have an identity.

[Razard86]

15 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Nothingness is just a word describing the unknowable nature of reality...ie.... if you zoom in close enough on any particle there's simply nothing there..... it becomes ridiculous or unfathomable. Reality is not something to be gotten because it's not even a something..... it's off the scale unknowable sort of speak and yet the appearance is an explosion of light color and sound. 

It's something and it's simultaneously nothing = 0

♥ 

 

^ This is just parroting... not too sound mean but you need to drop the parroting. Reality is both known and unknown. 

What is known? Recognition. Reality would need to recognize itself TO COMMUNICATE with itself which is literally what is happening right now. Recognition is KNOWING. Without the ability to recognize itself it could NEVER communicate. Go try to communicate with someone in a language that you don't understand...you can't because you do not recognize that part of consciousness. You placed a limitation on yourself in consciousness. You can recognize the form of the language, but you cannot recognize the meaning that is being attributed to them.

What is blindness? A lack of recognition of form. What is deafness? A lack of recognition of sound. 

So reality can know itself because it is itself, but because it is infinite....its knowledge of itself can never be stable, or grasped, the moment it knows anything....that knowledge can be transcended or recontextualized into ever greater meaning. Since it is eternal, its knowledge will never end so it cannot know itself completely because it can have infinite recontextualizations which is what creativity is. 

The part of reality that can never be known is the part of reality that holds all perception. Reality can only know itself through perception or what we can call the senses. Through the senses...it is created through sense-making what I posted up earlier in the thread. But paradoxically you can know it....through becoming aware through the contrast of that which is known....which is the sensory perception. 

So it is both known and unknown. If it wasn't known....it could never be pointed too... how can that which cannot be known...ever be discovered and pointed to? It points to itself....when it becomes aware of itself.....what we can say is it can never be known completely.

 

3 hours ago, Gnosis said:

The fear of going insane in a genuine investigation into truth is not a fear, it's an intuition.

That intuition is correct. You're not going insane. You are insane.

Not following through with it is the definition of insanity.

When you follow through with it all the way—sanity.

How else will it work when the name of the game is endless self-deception?

This is true....but the issue is....infinity becomes VERY attached to its deception of form and is really hard for it to release its attachment. From one perspective it can be a cruel game that it is playing with itself. 

Edited November 1, 2022 by Razard86

[Razard86]

On 10/30/2022 at 7:10 PM, Tyler Durden said:

But if you go "insane", there will be consequences. "Others" are going to call you crazy and you will be put in a mental hospital. I guess you created that institution in order to keep yourself inside an illusion without questioning it too much. Even the waking dream has its rules.

^ This is a story we tell ourselves....I've recently taken certain risks that I normally would not and everything worked out fine. Now I am not saying be an idiot, obviously be very careful, and if you can get say psychedelics in a legal way do it. But you will be surprised how events can unfold and a psychedelic can land in your lap if you truly want to investigate reality. 

Its almost like.....that's the freaking purpose of this whole thing we call life....and everything else is just a distraction. Nothing wrong with the other distractions they form their own purpose....but it appears this could be the case. Of course...ultimately....everything written here is just a story....but dammit I like this story lol. 

[Zeroguy]

@Razard86 Thanks,that was practical showcase.

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Zeroguy said:

@Razard86 Thanks,that was practical showcase.

I do think there is a higher way if you guys really want to become Lucid at a much more obvious level. But beware....you may not like what you see.

I once ate an edible and I was able to see how I was controlling everything. Everything was in sync with me from my POV. Curt Jaimungal asked Leo how a person could become aware of themselves as God and Leo offered an easy way.

He said take 5 MEO DMT 10 times at 30 miligrams. Now personally...I believe since a lot of you have probably already deconstructed so much already...if you took that substance a couple of times...you would probably be able to see in REAL TIME, how you are rendering everything....and be able to sense that you are the only conscious being in existence. So beware....being Lucid in the Dream......might spoil this illusion for you.

Its not going to give you the ability to control it, but truthfully it will give the added benefit of stopping it from you taking it so serious. Good Luck. I am sure these exercises can help you on less stronger substances. If you really want to destroy the veil do these exercises on a substance of your liking that you feel raises your consciousness.

I'll give you one other example. I was recently walking....I noticed that when cars were passing by...even as they rode off in the distance....I could still feel them driving on the road. Not just the sound of them driving...but I could feel the tires rolling on the road. Really concentrate and you will notice..you can feel them driving in the distance....that is PROOF that you are the road and the car....and they are driving in your mind. 

[meta_male]

5 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I'll give you one other example. I was recently walking....I noticed that when cars were passing by...even as they rode off in the distance....I could still feel them driving on the road. Not just the sound of them driving...but I could feel the tires rolling on the road. Really concentrate and you will notice..you can feel them driving in the distance....that is PROOF that you are the road and the car....and they are driving in your mind. 

Never looked at it this way. Thanks for sharing!

[VeganAwake]

10 hours ago, Razard86 said:

^ This is just parroting... not too sound mean but you need to drop the parroting. Reality is both known and unknown. 

What is known? Recognition. Reality would need to recognize itself TO COMMUNICATE with itself which is literally what is happening right now. Recognition is KNOWING. Without the ability to recognize itself it could NEVER communicate. Go try to communicate with someone in a language that you don't understand...you can't because you do not recognize that part of consciousness. You placed a limitation on yourself in consciousness. You can recognize the form of the language, but you cannot recognize the meaning that is being attributed to them.

What is blindness? A lack of recognition of form. What is deafness? A lack of recognition of sound. 

So reality can know itself because it is itself, but because it is infinite....its knowledge of itself can never be stable, or grasped, the moment it knows anything....that knowledge can be transcended or recontextualized into ever greater meaning. Since it is eternal, its knowledge will never end so it cannot know itself completely because it can have infinite recontextualizations which is what creativity is. 

The part of reality that can never be known is the part of reality that holds all perception. Reality can only know itself through perception or what we can call the senses. Through the senses...it is created through sense-making what I posted up earlier in the thread. But paradoxically you can know it....through becoming aware through the contrast of that which is known....which is the sensory perception. 

So it is both known and unknown. If it wasn't known....it could never be pointed too... how can that which cannot be known...ever be discovered and pointed to? It points to itself....when it becomes aware of itself.....what we can say is it can never be known completely.

All I'm saying bro is that seeking energy will constantly make you feel like you're on the cusp of discovering something groundbreaking, it will just keep seeking and jumping from one thing to another( spiritual jump rope) That energy never gets satisfied by seeking more either.

There's absolutely nothing right or wrong with seeking knowledge or answers....it's just what seems to be happening!

The illusory experience of being a separate individual naturally gives rise to the experience of lack or incompleteness, & so the seeking journey begins. 

Don't take my word for it though, notice it for yourself!

♥ 

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

All I'm saying bro is that seeking energy will constantly make you feel like you're on the cusp of discovering something groundbreaking, it will just keep seeking and jumping from one thing to another( spiritual jump rope) That energy never gets satisfied by seeking more either.

There's absolutely nothing right or wrong with seeking knowledge or answers....it's just what seems to be happening!

The illusory experience of being a separate individual naturally gives rise to the experience of lack or incompleteness, & so the seeking journey begins. 

Don't take my word for it though, notice it for yourself!

♥ 

^Quiet Tony Parsons. Who are you teaching?