The MAGA Madness Continues

[Leo Gura]

 

Edited October 30, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Extreme Z7]

Make America Anti-Intellectualism Great Again

[Hardkill]

Thank God, Paul Pelosi made a successful recovery. Though, I hope he doesn't end up with any serious complications from this.

Btw, this is what Michael Moore has to say about this:

https://www.michaelmoore.com/p/midterm-tsunami-truth-31

[DocWatts]

Considering how corrosive the political environment has become, I'm honestly surprised that political violence isn't even more common than it already is.

I used to think that Leftists were being paranoid when they pointed out that it might not be a bad idea for liberals and progressives to learn how to use firearms to defend themselves and thier communities from right wing terrorism, but I'm becoming more convinced that they may have been more correct than I'm comfortable admitting (this is coming from someone who has a gut level aversion to firearms)

Edited October 30, 2022 by DocWatts

[Hardkill]

2 hours ago, DocWatts said:

Considering how corrosive the political environment has become, I'm honestly surprised that political violence isn't even more common than it already is.

I used to think that Leftists were being paranoid when they pointed out that it might not be a bad idea for liberals and progressives to learn how to use firearms to defend themselves and thier communities from right wing terrorism, but I'm becoming more convinced that they may have been more correct than I'm comfortable admitting (this is coming from someone who has a gut level aversion to firearms)

Yeah, that's what I've been thinking.

That's why according to more recent news, a lot more liberals and minorities have been taking up arms:

 

Edited October 30, 2022 by Hardkill

[Danioover9000]

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

   After your recent blog post of Poetry in Putin's Russia, this is child's play.

[Tyler Robinson]

This is exactly why we need the Left and why the Left never went too far. 

If this is not the evidence then I don't know what is. 

 

[Thought Art]

Ocean of noise

[Hardkill]

2 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

This is exactly why we need the Left and why the Left never went too far. 

If this is not the evidence then I don't know what is. 

 

Far left ideology is ideal, but not practical. A lot of times you won't be able to elect progressives or even moderately liberal candidates into office. That's why I believe in making actual progress by voting for conservative Democrats, very moderate Democrats, very moderate independents, center-left Democrats, center-left independents, progressive Democrats, and progressive independents depending on which candidate will be the most viable left-leaning one in any particular election. Also, Republicans need to vote for a lot more moderate Republicans.

Furthermore, too much of far left politics only worsens the political polarization between the left and the right. Not only, will this mean even more political violence. It also will also mean even more political gridlock, which will lead to Congress and state legislatures all around the country becoming less productive and more unable to pass major beneficial laws for the people. That's what happened during the Gilded Age in the late 1800s. Contrast that period with the early 20th century progressive and the mid 1900s, when Congress passed floods of new historic laws and constitutional amendments that kept tremendously improving the lives of Americans throughout the entire country. However, since the late 70s to early 80s our country has become increasingly polarized, which has lead our country back to the similar kind of gridlock problems we had during the Gilded Age.

If our country basically elected a lot more political leaders into office who are neither not staunch conservative establishment Republicans nor MAGA Republicans, then America would actually end up making a tremendous amount of progress on both productive bipartisan consensus and moving towards leftism.

That's why I think Democrats and progressives need to work on framing progressive policies like the Green New Deal, universal health care, and banning big money and corporate lobbying from politics as something that is moderate and is also aligned with traditional American values. For example, instead of telling moderates and conservatives in America that we need to have Medicare for All, a single-payer system which sounds to them like a form of socialism, why don't we try to have them sold on a universal healthcare proposal that would be framed as a good old American way of giving every American a real solid opportunity to having healthcare? It should also be framed as a universal healthcare proposal that would grant everyone in America freedom from all private tyranny. Freedom from having to be tied down to a miserable job in order to keep the health insurance you need. Freedom from the terrible price gouging done by the health insurance cartel in the US. The proposal could be called something like Freedom Care or the National American Freedom Care Act.

Furthermore, we actually need to work more on persuading more from the other side. We're never going win most of the people from the opposite side, but we should be able to win over a good amount from that side. Plus, we of course need harder on persuading many more swing voters. All of that together would make a major difference electorally for Democrats, help heal the divisions in our country, and help push America more towards the left.

 

Edited October 30, 2022 by Hardkill

[Thought Art]

3 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

This is exactly why we need the Left and why the Left never went too far. 

If this is not the evidence then I don't know what is. 

 

No, the left and right can go to far

Someone on the extreme right doing something doesn’t negate the left doing things.

We need to look at both sides and find balance

We tend to swing our pendulums to far when we see one side do something we don’t like 

Edited October 30, 2022 by Thought Art

[hoodrow trillson]

Too much internet, not enough pussy in that attacker's life.

[Thought Art]

2 minutes ago, hoodrow trillson said:

Too much internet, not enough pussy in that attacker's life.

That’s it. 
 

This is really a non partisan, non-pussy issue 

[hoodrow trillson]

1 minute ago, Thought Art said:

That’s it. 
 

This is really a non partisan, non-pussy issue 

Lmao but unironically, this.

[DocWatts]

3 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

This is exactly why we need the Left and why the Left never went too far. 

If this is not the evidence then I don't know what is. 

I don't get the sense that anyone here is making a false equivalence between what the Left is doing and the political violence coming from the far-right.

But think of it like this. In a country like United States, the Left (as opposed to milquetoast liberals and moderates ) make up perhaps %10-15 of the population.

In order to  successfully resist fascism, the Left needs to be able to cooperate and make common cause with both liberals and moderates. That doesn't mean giving up on thier ideals, but it does mean knowing how to be strategic and place the democratization needs of society above thier own vision of what they would like society to be. 

Leftism can push the envelope of what is possible in a system dominated by liberals. That opportunity goes away if the system's center of gravity regresses to a reactionary authoritarian regime.

Edited October 30, 2022 by DocWatts

[Tyler Robinson]

31 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

I don't get the sense that anyone here is making a false equivalence between what the Left is doing and the political violence coming from the far-right.

But think of it like this. In a country like United States, the Left (as opposed to milquetoast liberals and moderates ) make up perhaps %10-15 of the population.

In order to  successfully resist fascism, the Left needs to be able to cooperate and make common cause with both liberals and moderates. That doesn't mean giving up on thier ideals, but it does mean knowing how to be strategic and place the democratization needs of society above thier own vision of what they would like society to be. 

Leftism can push the envelope of what is possible in a system dominated by liberals. That opportunity goes away if the system's center of gravity regresses to a reactionary authoritarian regime.

Wooof! Your point flew over my head. I don't even understand what you're trying to say. 

 

[DocWatts]

5 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Wooof! Your point flew over my head. I don't even understand what you're trying to say. 

The #1 priority right now is to keep democracy from collapsing. In order to keep that from happening, the Left needs to be able to work with Liberals and moderates

When the Left alienates Liberals and moderates because it refuses to be strategic, it shoots itself in the foot, and is less effective at actually resisting fascism.

[Tyler Robinson]

4 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

The #1 priority right now is to keep democracy from collapsing. In order to keep that from happening, the Left needs to be able to work with Liberals and moderates

When the Left alienates Liberals and moderates because it refuses to be strategic, it shoots itself in the foot, and is less effective at actually resisting fascism.

Ok got it now. That's understandable. 

 

[Epikur]

So how did the attacker could get in to the house? Where was security?

[Leo Gura]

Inside job!

[Hardkill]

18 hours ago, DocWatts said:

The #1 priority right now is to keep democracy from collapsing. In order to keep that from happening, the Left needs to be able to work with Liberals and moderates

When the Left alienates Liberals and moderates because it refuses to be strategic, it shoots itself in the foot, and is less effective at actually resisting fascism.

Yeah, that’s what I’ve been trying to say here on this thread. Not only do we need liberals and progressives, we need to persuade and work together with as many moderates as possible. That includes moderate liberals, very centrists, and even moderate conservatives. As James Carville said before, Democrats and liberals gotta be practical and strategic in order to win the real political power.

Edited October 31, 2022 by Hardkill