Mr. Girl and Destiny go to war.

[Tyler Robinson]

 

2 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Tyler Robinson

   Yeah, I get the sense Max's psyche is like that of a minor case of personality disorder, part trolling, part edgy speaking, part documentarian and philosopher. He's just sometimes all over the place, sometimes cuts himself mid-sentence. With the pedophile attraction, at best I think it's benign for him. His relationship with his GF is also another odd thing, similar to the Joker and Harley Quinn.

   Vigilantes in question that mass reported him are alt right people, with fascist leanings, so not exactly angels. Actually, they knew of Mr. Girl before, but because he was buddies with Destiny, they didn't bat an eye, until Mr. Girl called out Nick Fuentes for trying to peddle Neo Nazi ideas, while fighting a bit with Destiny. That was when they decided to mass report him.

   Also doesn't help that he doesn't care for tailoring and making his rhetoric more understandable and clearer, making it much easier for others to distort what he's trying to say at the deeper and bigger picture level.

The problem with calling things "benign" is that it generally becomes a road to normalization of something that is obviously dangerous. 

It's one thing to not stigmatize those people who seriously need help but it's another thing to let it fester and make it sound normal or harmless. I think Flakko made a good point that everything starts with a thought. Today's thought can be a seed to tomorrow's action. 

Even Hunter Avallone makes this point that stigmatizing at least achieves the agenda of causing these people to seek help. It deems something as abnormal. And recognizing something as wrong is the first step to wanting and seeking improvement. 

This reminds me of Adam Lanza. He had violent fantasies. First they were just thoughts and poetries. Later they actually turned to action 

A person can be calibrated to have precise control over their thoughts and inhibitions only when they have had them in their adult life and only when they have consistently resisted from acting on their impulses, but this cannot be known beforehand. When a mass shooter ends up killing people we often wonder if they were warning signs and why they were ignored. It's the same shit with Dylan Roof showing off his gun skills and people taking it lightly. That's the problem with such scenarios. You might want call it benign and normalize it, maybe if this person doesn't do it, someone else who pretends to act in similar ways might actually do it. At some point, normalizing it comes at a price because there is always someone lurking in the shadows to prey on the opportunity of being able to get away with it. It's a slippery slope. 

 

[Danioover9000]

@Carl-Richard

11 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Wot. Max is probably the most coherent speaker in the debatosphere.

   I wouldn't exaggerate that he comes across as the most consistent speaker in the debate sphere, he's easily gets interrupted by others, and sometimes he interrupts himself, with a 'I guess that' all the time. I understand what he's saying already at a deeper level, but I also understand how he still needs to articulate much better, he's sometimes too slow and gets distracted and easily gets emotional.

[Carl-Richard]

11 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

The problem with calling things "benign" is that it generally becomes a road to normalization of something that is obviously dangerous. 

What if the thing in question is normal? We were first talking about something which is non-pedophilia, and now you're talking about pedophilia, only because you're yet to define what you mean by attraction.

[Tyler Robinson]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

What if the thing in question is normal? We were first talking about something which is non-pedophilia, and now you're talking about pedophilia, only because you're yet to define what you mean by attraction.

Attraction to children is called a nomap. It's still deviant any which way you cut it. 

People are attracted to animals too. Oh let's begin normalizing every weird feeling and thought lol. If something is inappropriate then it should be called out for what it is. 

Don't gaslight me for not supporting pedophilia. 

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by Tyler Robinson

[Carl-Richard]

6 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

You can keep your stupid deviant attraction to yourself. Attraction to children is called a nomap. It's still deviant any which way you cut it. 

People are attracted to animals too. Oh let's begin normalizing every weird feeling and thought lol. If something is inappropriate then it should be called out for what it is. Weird fucks like you and that Roy guy becoming mods on the forum, every day sickens me. I'm out of this stupid debate. Your ego is as big as Mount Everest. Go get help. 

You can't even define what you're talking about, so I don't know why I'm weird.

[Tyler Robinson]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

You can't even define what you're talking about, so I don't know why I'm weird.

Because you said that the entire male population is attracted to children. 

 

[Carl-Richard]

4 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Because you said that the entire male population is attracted to children. 

How attracted are we talking? Remember: you made the claim, so substantiate it.

Edited November 1, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[Tyler Robinson]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

How attracted are we talking? Remember: you made the claim, so substantiate it.

It's not about the measure of attraction. I never made the statement about the entire male population. Maybe please substantiate that claim, can you? 

 

[Carl-Richard]

9 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

It's not about the measure of attraction. I never made the statement about the entire male population. Maybe please substantiate that claim, can you? 

All I said was that what Mr. Girl said accurately summarizes the entire male population. I did not use loaded terms like "pedophilia" or "attracted to children". You did that. 

If it's that hard to provide a definition of something you feel so strongly about stating over and over again, I'll do the work for you: no, Mr. Girl did not claim that the entire male population are pedophiles or "attracted to children". He said among other things that men get uncomfortable around underage girls who dress or act above their age. Why is that? That is what you have to unpack.

Edited November 1, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[Tyler Robinson]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

All I said was that what Mr. Girl said accurately summarizes the entire male population. I did not use loaded terms like "pedophilia" or "attracted to children". You did that. 

You implied the exact same thing. I only mouthed it. What else did you imply if not what I meant? Hilarious. 

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

If it's that hard to provide a definition of something you feel so strong about stating over and over again, I'll do the work for you: no, Mr. Girl did not claim that the entire male population are pedophiles or "attracted to children". He said among other things that men get uncomfortable around underage girls who dress or act above their age. Why is that? That is what you have to unpack.

No. He blatantly agrees that he is attracted to children. He blatantly said that he found them hot. And blaming girls who act sexual is like saying rape victims attract rape. No grown man who is not suffering a Pathological condition or a kind of -pathy will be attracted to children no matter what and that's the point Hunter Avallone is making. You can't blame the movie for it. Nobody finds it hot. Most normal men find it repulsive. And those who don't should probably look for signs of nomap..nothing can be triggered if it doesn't already exist. These men already carry fetishes in them which then get triggered by what they see. It's like blaming pedophilia on child porn, blaming shooting on guns and blaming alcoholism on alcohol. 

 

[Danioover9000]

   I'm reminded of the art of war by Sun Tsu. In his descriptions of the many types of grounds in warfare, he talked about the entangled ground, in which, for example, when both armies are facing each other, and in the middle there's a river of water a person high or more, and strong, that it's advisable not to attack and advance first, because if you do choose to move through the body of water, the enemy force just has to march and stop you at the edge, preventing the second and remaining lines of your army from clearing the body of water. So, you make the enemy move first, and this becomes a war of which side eventually has to find the right ways around the river, and make the enemy cross the terrain that's disadvantageous.

   @Carl-Richard and @Tyler Robinson, you both are at war with each other, neither of you really want to cross the river, so one of you were really trying to get the other to cross and make the mistake. But by debating and arguing with each other, both of you just derailed my thread a bit and talking about the pedophilia is I can see too triggering for you both, so instead, let me offer you both an alternative, a ground where both of you can contest with roughly evenly:

   Should a public speaker, because he's the leader of his community, have the right to silence constructive criticism, when questioned of trying to enable, in a very subtle way, Neo Nazi ideology, and be seen being friendly with another guy that has Neo Nazi leanings?

Edited November 1, 2022 by Danioover9000

[Carl-Richard]

26 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

No. He blatantly agrees that he is attracted to children. He blatantly said that he found them hot.

I'll admit that Mr. Girl isn't making it exactly easy for people to completely miss the point, but I guess that's his forte. However, if you take the context of the entire movie review, the takeaway isn't that he enjoyed the movie, or that he likes kids. Rather, he felt uncomfortable, he thinks it was wrong, and yes, he said "they're pretty hot", as a segway to the point that this was actually the point of the movie (to make you feel that and then experience that inner conflict with your social conscience).

Is it completely unreasonable to assume that this applies to the rest of the male population? I mean, considering how people get married at 12 in certain countries, how Elvis met a 14 year old and later married her, how some 14 year olds look like 18 year olds and vice versa; this is just common sense, that sexual attraction can happen at any point on that scale and to various degrees, and that it's indeed normal. That doesn't mean it's good, or that we should marry 12 year olds. It's just the case.

And none of this is pedophilia btw.

Edited November 1, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[Tyler Robinson]

 

14 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Is it completely unreasonable to assume that this applies to the rest of the male population?

Why are you strawmanning me so badly? I never said the entire male population was like that. That was your statement, you remember? No

Quoting you 

These are your words — "I would say he accurately summarized basically the entire male population." 

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I mean, considering how people get married at 12 in certain countries, how Elvis met a 14 year old and later married her, how some 14 year olds look like 18 year olds and vice versa; this is just common sense, that sexual attraction can happen at any point on that scale and to various degrees, and that it's indeed normal. That doesn't mean it's good, or that we should marry 12 year olds. It's just the case.

And none of this is pedophilia btw.

When did I say that this was pedophilia? I said that he blatantly says he is attracted to children and that is weird and it's a sign of nomap 

Sexual attraction to children is not okay. 

Why are you twisting my point? 

Can you please tell me where I said that people marrying at the age of 12 in certain countries is pedophilia?

You're strawmanning me once again. 

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by Tyler Robinson

[Danioover9000]

   @Leo Gura, can you please help moderate @Carl-Richard and @Tyler Robinson, my thread is getting hot lately...I just want a normal discussion about Destiny. ?

[Carl-Richard]

12 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   @Leo Gura, can you please help moderate @Carl-Richard and @Tyler Robinson, my thread is getting hot lately...I just want a normal discussion about Destiny. ?

Lmao fine this is not getting anywhere.

[Tyler Robinson]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Lmao fine this is not getting anywhere.

Lmao. You didn't address my point but whatever. If you're dropping out, I'm dropping out too. 

@Danioover9000 you can carry on with your thread.

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by Tyler Robinson

[Danioover9000]

   Interesting videos on Destiny:

 

 

 

[Danioover9000]

   I think on the moderation, Destiny might be right, as Mr. Girl's 700 comments were stirring anti fans against his community. In real life, that's like a big company that hires a new guy, and that new not only sets up a union worker's rights team, up front, but behind the scenes tries to orchestrate events to increase desertion, splinters and tries to make the company look bad.

[ValiantSalvatore]

No idea what happend it was intersting to me that he interviewed pornstars (Mr Giri) and to see their psyche as he seemed like a guy interested in mental things and mindsets, I think he had XXXTentacion also on there or some podcasts if I am not confusing. So for some dark-media shit it was kinda cool, no idea some "fear virgins" just spam report out of hate. 

I dunno don't like the idea that he is beign cancled as he seemed like a "low profanity sort interested in the depth of the jungle" kinda guy. In a sense it's a form of snobery and classism lol. imo

Edited November 4, 2022 by ValiantSalvatore

[ValiantSalvatore]

There are tests for neoteny features as far as I know where you can detect if a person regardless of male/female is attracted to people with neoteny features aka also a lot of female survival. IIRC this was from an audiobook sex at dawn and some cultures orgistically stimulate their children because they think it's healthy and or was healthy for mentioning the source of my information. Might be a dark and taboo topic, yet it's crazy when you consider it with just open-mindedness etc. Although this requires legit science and not whacko research without any responsibillity so to speak, as these topics get easily abused and out of hand. I was suprised to learn of this and this is sort of from loose ends of my memory. 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/neoteny#:~:text=Neotenous features were said to,attractive in cross-cultural studies.

The point is without AQAL it's not easy to discuss these things as it's morally wrong to sleep with minors. I mean hell as far as I know men can be attracted to an hourglass silhouette on the wall.