Females have intrinsic value, men don't?

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, Cat_eyes said:

you make it sound like the worst thing ever is to be a woman. 
why can’t men lift us up rather than put us down? 

god this forum makes me feel depressed.

No, there are many positives to being a woman. Being a man is difficult in many ways which I did not list.

[integral]

On 2022-10-24 at 11:51 AM, StarStruck said:

You can even see it on the forum. If a female opens a topic, tons of horny dudes (who suppose to be spiritual) jump on the topic to help the damsel in distress, but if a brother opens the same topic, he will get substantially less attention and care.

Not really it depends on how interesting the topic is, this forum is rather balanced. 

[Tyler Robinson]

I think.. let's not make this so polarized as men versus women. 

Both gender have their unique struggles. There is no point in deciding who has it worse. 

Life is not easy for a man. Life is not easy for a woman either. 

Let's appreciate each other's humanness irrespective of gender and not feed into stereotypes. 

 

[petar8p]

On 10/24/2022 at 6:30 PM, StarStruck said:

Which part is derogatory?

Most of it. 

[petar8p]

On 10/25/2022 at 5:08 AM, Leo Gura said:

Yes, women have more reproductive value than an average, nobody man. A man's value is based more on how he develops himself. A woman's value is based more on her sexual fertility. But this is not 100%. These are loose generalizations. Don't go overboard with it or construct any kind of ideology around it.

A woman can generate a lot of value by developing herself. It's just that many women don't have to work so hard at it because they have sexual value to compensate whereas an average man does not. There is nothing unfair about this. It's just one of the joys of being a man. Rather than bitching about it, embrace it.

True and only healthy take.

[Breakingthewall]

in the end everything is reproduction. females have intrinsic value because they are a reproductive receptacle. its value is its body, its genetic quality. man does not have intrinsic value, he has to demonstrate his value, his ability to bring his offspring forward, to guarantee their survival, to create individuals capable of surviving. from all this evolves an enormous courtship dance that is the human society.

[Ry4n]

On 25/10/2022 at 2:51 AM, StarStruck said:

You can even see it on the forum. If a female opens a topic, tons of horny dudes (who suppose to be spiritual) jump on the topic to help the damsel in distress, but if a brother opens the same topic, he will get substantially less attention and care.

YEP welcome to the real world brother haha. Don't worry men are getting more encouraging of each other as the problem gets more noticed. 

[Ry4n]

On 26/10/2022 at 2:41 PM, Clabber Girl said:

What else would a woman's value be linked to? Say its 80% sexuality/reproduction value... what is that 20% if she develops herself to the max ?

Nurturing qualities are a woman's most powerful qualities (at least most of the time) which is precisely what is being undermined by feminism. 

A nurturing leader is necessary in today's world, but unfortunately women are just being taught to behave like men whilst the same traits in men are simultaneously vilified. Strange world in the west. 

Great example would be the cringeworthy "boss bitch" mentality which is extremely disgusting to men; that's not a high value trait at all.

[Ry4n]

On 25/10/2022 at 4:49 AM, LordFall said:

On 25/10/2022 at 4:36 AM, NoSelfSelf said:

@LordFall You are not commiting to either side thats why it doesnt work you are dipping your toes in 2 different pools..

You valuing yourself is only way anyone is going to value you but it comes from not wanting anyone to value you because in that way you will be 100% focused on yourself and your inner things that will bring true value or you will try to trick and manipulate good luck with that existence...

This and your other comment are exactly what I mean by pseudo-spiritual nonsense. That's a good mindset but it literally doesn't work. You are literally a human being in a society made up of human beings. Being consumed by others' perception of you is of course a fool's errand but not taking it into account is just as much. Be careful not to drink too much of the kool-aid. 

Nah he is speaking facts especially because women pick up on "vibes" and one's "energy" more so than men do; the fact that seemingly frustrates you proves my point exactly that men don't get this subtle energy and mentally that one carries oneself through life or at least don't see it as much in others compared to women; this masculine mentality is incredibly attractive to women, but doesn't keep a woman if the man's actions don't back it. 

It's the mentality that leads to success, women can see that. 

[eos_nyxia]

1 hour ago, Ry4n said:

Nurturing qualities are a woman's most powerful qualities (at least most of the time) which is precisely what is being undermined by feminism. 

A nurturing leader is necessary in today's world, but unfortunately women are just being taught to behave like men whilst the same traits in men are simultaneously vilified. Strange world in the west. 

Great example would be the cringeworthy "boss bitch" mentality which is extremely disgusting to men; that's not a high value trait at all.

Real "boss bitches" were always too busy with the business of being themselves to care about what pleb dudes think, to really be held back by them...

(Though not everything is about aggressive, active, direct, imposing power, and it never was... nor was it ever really all about nurturing qualities, if what you mean by that is only maternal qualities.)

Feminism didn't exactly invent "strong women" across the board, lol.

Edited November 3, 2022 by eos_nyxia

[Karmadhi]

On 10/24/2022 at 6:45 PM, something_else said:

Unattractive women have little intrinsic value, and it's very hard for them to change that. At least as a guy you have some element of control over your value

If a girl takes care of herself she wont be unattractive. Taking care of a woman involves makeup, going to the gym and some surgery worst case.

That is a lot easier to do than learning pickup or game for a guy so even unattractive girls have it easier than unattractive guys in terms of raising their value.

Just look at some celebreties before and after to see the difference it can make, same person.

I know girls that went from a 4 to a 7 just from a nosejob and going to the gym in 3 months. 

 

Edited November 3, 2022 by Karmadhi

[something_else]

 

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If a girl takes care of herself she wont be unattractive. Taking care of a woman involves makeup, going to the gym and some surgery worst case.

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I know girls that went from a 4 to a 7 just from a nosejob and going to the gym in 3 months. 

I mean a guy can do all of those things too for the same results. Replace makeup with a nice wardrobe/haircut/style. I've seen guys go from a 4 to a 7 just by getting a better haircut + beard

1 hour ago, Karmadhi said:

going to the gym

Some people seriously struggle to lose weight for reasons that aren't really in their control. Women also have a lot of hormones that affect weight gain and mood too, which makes it harder.

Also, a lot of attraction in women's bodies is about proportion. You can have girls who weigh more but look more attractive than skinnier girls because their proportions are just genetically better.

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makeup

At the end of the day you've still got to take off your makeup and look in the mirror, or be seen by your partner.

[petar8p]

2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

I know girls that went from a 4 to a 7 just from a nosejob and going to the gym in 3 months. 

 

But you do not get to date very high quality guys when you're a 7. 

 

2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

That is a lot easier to do than learning pickup or game for a guy so even unattractive girls have it easier than unattractive guys in terms of raising their value.

If you are a guy telling this, then how can you even know. Tons of work, effort, skin routine and money goes into maintaining a high standard look for a woman.

[LordFall]

7 hours ago, Ry4n said:

Nah he is speaking facts especially because women pick up on "vibes" and one's "energy" more so than men do; the fact that seemingly frustrates you proves my point exactly that men don't get this subtle energy and mentally that one carries oneself through life or at least don't see it as much in others compared to women; this masculine mentality is incredibly attractive to women, but doesn't keep a woman if the man's actions don't back it. 

It's the mentality that leads to success, women can see that. 

Is this reflected in your personal life? I would love to see an example of someone feeling masculine vibrations and feeling internally valuable while missing the external marks of value and still attracting attractive women into their life. Are there examples you can think of/videos you can link or is this an ethereal phenomenon? 

I believe in what you guys are saying, my point is that having this masculine energy will also lead to being able to manifest wealth, abundance, and external value and if it doesn't I think you're living in delusion. 

@Cat_eyes It is a silly point to just judge people on appearances. It plays a big part but there are many other characteristics that make someone valuable. More valuable people can get more attractive people though, that's a fairly objective fact.

Edited November 3, 2022 by LordFall

[something_else]

7 hours ago, Tahuti said:

Every sexy girl from my highschool is making tons of money based off appearances. Perception.. They get quality job offers, and are qualifying with little to no work experience. It's ridiculous. They all are traveling to Europe and posting it all over social media. Dating rich white guys who have boats, wearing expensive clothing.

Hot girls are usually experts at curating their image, so you end up seeing a far more glamorous view of their lives on social media compared to reality.

Yea, there are a few who make money off their looks on social media etc. but companies rarely hire incompetent girls just because they're hot. Maybe it gives them an advantage, but it's not like they can just walk into jobs with absolutely zero experience/training, be incompetent, and get away with it for a long time.

Interestingly, I read recently that women who are in charge of hiring often have a fairly strong bias against women who they think are more attractive than them. Which makes sense because I could certainly that happening with guys as well.

[Tyler Robinson]

 

15 hours ago, Tahuti said:

• Remove the blindfold, aim the ray of light into yourself, simply see. 
• Women have intrinsic value. 
• How many times have you been laid? Me: Twice, four years ago... 
• If you are hot(idk because your user photo is not of your face) then notice how men as well as women treat you vs others. 
• Every sexy girl from my highschool is making tons of money based off appearances. Perception.. They get quality job offers, and are qualifying with little to no work experience. It's ridiculous. They all are traveling to Europe and posting it all over social media. Dating rich white guys who have boats, wearing expensive clothing.
• I am not grateful to women simply because they carry the baby. Remember, you need semen in order to create a baby. Watch Leo's video called "The Balance Of Life". 
• Create & Carry~ Be grateful of men.
• Your father's semen is the reason you are here. We have milk for babies. They do not need mothers milk anymore. In the future even breastfeeding will go out of "relevance".
• In the future 3033 we will only need semen and an egg ?.  A.I created wombs, with genetically replicated egg to be fertalized.
• SEMEN IS THE SEED OF LIFE. 

 

It's sucks that you have such low opinion on women. But keep up. 

 

[caspex]

@Tyler Robinson

7 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

 

It's sucks that you have such low opinion on women. But keep up. 

 

What would be a higher, more truer opinion of women in your opinion? What's your take on if women have intrinsic value or not? (Value here meaning something that would be of value to society)

[Tyler Robinson]

 

24 minutes ago, Swarnim said:

@Tyler Robinson

What would be a higher, more truer opinion of women in your opinion? What's your take on if women have intrinsic value or not? (Value here meaning something that would be of value to society)

Women bring a lot of value to society. Mothers raise their children. A woman is much more than her external appearance. She is also about her values. Men and women are same when it comes to intelligence. Men just tend to be more logical and women tend to use emotional intelligence. Yes when it comes to physical things, men tend to have more physical stamina than women, but women possess more intrinsic wisdom. Women have the highest reproductive value because without women your semen is worthless. Yes women need semen for impregnation but for that we don't need men. We just need the semen. It's not that men aren't necessary. Of course men are needed to build a society, building roads etc. But so are women. Women are needed to give birth to those men. Men offer value in terms of work. But women offer value in terms of bearing and raising children. If a woman can be replaced by some laboratory generated egg or womb then men can also be replaced by heavy duty machines. There's no competition here. No rivalry. Both men and women were created to harmonize with each other, do their respective gender roles, create families and lead the human race. None is better or worse than the other and there is no rivalry, in fact there shouldn't be any rivalry to begin with. Both have separate roles to play within the context of evolution and procreation and continuation of a species. None is inferior or superior, just that both are designed differently both mentally, physically and emotionally to serve a role in the bigger picture. I think the person above Miss Tahuti (who is actually a man), tries to affirm a woman's value but does so in a begrudging way. As per his opinion, women especially the ones who look hot have a huge value and get everything given to them just based off on their appearances. I agree wholeheartedly with that thought. However, you have to ask yourself, who is giving this value to these hot babes? The answer is men, especially low self esteem men who love to simp and place women on a pedestal. As you can clearly see, the not so good looking women don't enjoy the same privileges. This means that this value is not so much about the "female" gender as much as it is about being attractive to men..so obviously this value is more about what catches male fancy. If a man spends a million dollars on a horse and gives the horse all kinds of special treatments, can you blame the horse for it? No. It's the man's decision to spend that kind of money on a horse. Society has never been fair. The value of anyone is not dependent on what they give intrinsically but more on what society considers to be valuable. There are so many talented artists that go unpaid everyday. Yet if the daughter of Bill Gates made a painting and sold it, she could make millions for just one painting, only because she is the daughter of Bill Gates. That's how worth and value is determined in our society. It's never about the true intrinsic potential of a person but how society views them. Society views unattractive women as unwanted or not worthy enough even though they are women too and capable of bearing and raising children too. Yet they are not valuable because they are not charming enough to men. This means that this value or worth is external and is dependent on validation supplied by men rather than anything  intrinsic provided by the woman apart from her looks. A beautiful woman can sit pretty and not contribute in any way towards a workforce and still be valued by all men, whereas an ugly woman could be working her ass off and harder than most and contributing a lot in terms of talent and intelligence and still not be valued, in fact men might want to replace her with a beautiful girl. Men don't value intelligence in women because they think they already have enough and they won't need a woman to compensate for that. So they look for beautiful women since that's something they cannot have on their own and that's onto men, whatever they choose to value. So if hot women enjoy privileges, I don't feel sorry for men because it's an inflated value created by men and given to these women, indirectly it's not these women that men are considering as valuable, it's basically their own desires, their toys. Children will always consider their toys valuable even if those toys are broken. A matured form of intelligence will see that anything that works hard and provides intrinsic value is valuable and will not base this value solely on generic lottery.

[caspex]

@Tyler Robinson I see, thanks a lot. 

[Leo Gura]

Value for men and women is different. But both screen their mates unconsciously for value.

This is as true for men and women as it is for birds and lizards. No bird sleeps with a random bird.

Edited November 8, 2022 by Leo Gura