How socialization ???? make you intelligent (and wise)

[Carl-Richard]

 

There is so much in here, it's incredible.

[zurew]

Its interesting to see how normal people react to tier 2 ideas.

Btw, brilliant video.

[Thought Art]

@Carl-Richard what are you main take always from what he is saying that supports you tittle?

[Carl-Richard]

On 22.10.2022 at 0:55 AM, Thought Art said:

@Carl-Richard what are you main take always from what he is saying that supports you tittle?

The thing that makes us human is highly complex social structures, language and culture, i.e. the ability to participate in distributed cognition (which is cognition outside your own mind). Chimpanzees actually have a stronger working memory than humans (the ability to hold numbers in your mind), but we're miles ahead in terms of intelligence for exactly those aforementioned reasons. If you don't take advantage of distributed cognition, you're essentially a chimp. 

Distributed cognition can be thought of as a form of collective intelligence (collective generalized problem-solving ability), but intelligence is not wisdom, as what makes us intelligent also makes us prone to self-deception and "bullshit". A big component of wisdom is the ability to take different perspectives; the balance of integrating and breaking frames and getting unstuck from these self-deception mechanisms. Likewise, if you don't participate in distributed cognition, you'll have a hard time gaining wisdom.

As for its relevance to democracy, again, when the integration and breaking of frames (which is analogous to Wilber's "transcend and include") gets out of balance, we get the opposite of wisdom (foolishness). When integration becomes too strong, we get things like group-think. When breaking frames gets too strong, we get too critical and exclusionary. These things are characteristics of the culture war. As democracy is a collective intelligence, our job is to get it to collective wisdom. That is only possible through honest and open dialogue; not debate, but "theologos". Only then, we can arrive at a balanced collective frame integration and frame breaking.

Edited October 25, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[Optimized Life]

On 22/10/2022 at 10:09 AM, Carl-Richard said:

Chimpanzees actually have a stronger working memory than humans (the ability to hold numbers in your mind)

Da FUK

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, Optimized Life said:

Da FUK

Right??

 

[integral]

@lxlichael To complex for my small brain I didn’t understand a single thing. What is your background?

Edited October 26, 2022 by integral

[Carl-Richard]

@lxlichael I understood none of that.

[Epikur]

12 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Right??

 

 

[Tyler Robinson]

It's called brain storming with a bunch of people. 

Obviously it's gonna increase IQ. 

I'm the living proof that socialization improves IQ. I couldn't think shit before I came to this forum. 

 

[Tyler Robinson]

@lxlichael

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, lxlichael said:

So I just watched a little bit of it, was actually suprisingly interesting. To expound, I would apply that thought process he introduced in 31:30 with more specificity to distributed demographic as opposed to intelligence as intelligence is nonetheless implied as well as demographic spanning multiple intelligence and processes of surrounding evolution.

What does this mean?

[Carl-Richard]

@lxlichael I don't get it.