Suicide

[Gabith]

Why is suicide discouraged in religions and in general in spirituality?

Would there be bad consequences?

What if we commit suicide by self-love because we are stuck in a situation of great suffering for example? Would it be okay ?

[Leo Gura]

"Okay" is a notion relative to you being alive.

[newbee]

The problem is that your suffering isn't necessarily going to be alleviated as you could end up in the hellish realm (based on stories of near death experiences).

From a viewpoint of reincarnation, you may pick up where you left behind when you reincarnate and I think religions in general discourage it because then they lose followers or believe you end up in eternal hell. 

[Galyna]

2 hours ago, Gabith said:

Why is suicide discouraged in religions and in general in spirituality?

Would there be bad consequences?

What if we commit suicide by self-love because we are stuck in a situation of great suffering for example? Would it be okay ?

 

This guy has the whole serious about suicide and what follows it. 

Do not kill your body, your suffering won't end. Also study Bardo. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo 

In some schools of Buddhism, bardo (Classical Tibetan: བར་དོ་ Wylie: bar do) or antarābhava (Sanskrit, Chinese and Japanese: 中有, romanized in Chinese as zhōng yǒu and in Japanese as chū'u)[1] is an intermediate, transitional, or liminal state between death and rebirth.

Man, I need to create a thread about it. So many people struggle with these thoughts. 

 

[Thought Art]

@Galyna but if I kill my ego suffering ends

If I kill my body and my ego I’m pretty sure it ends and s just love

[Gabith]

@Galyna I don't understand why God would put in Hell or bad conditions people who commit suicide... if someone commit suicide, it's because he's in deep suffering so why would God punish him even more ??? 

It doesn't make sense 

[Leo Gura]

God doesn't punish you, God is just lost in dreams. Some of those dreams are nightmares. That is all. Don't make it personal.

Edited October 21, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Galyna]

56 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Galyna but if I kill my ego suffering ends

If I kill my body and my ego I’m pretty sure it ends and s just love

You think your body and ego are separate from this present moment. It is a naive statement. Go and explore what truly your ego is along with body and physical reality. 

[Galyna]

32 minutes ago, Gabith said:

@Galyna I don't understand why God would put in Hell or bad conditions people who commit suicide... if someone commit suicide, it's because he's in deep suffering so why would God punish him even more ??? 

It doesn't make sense 

Because suffering is the best teacher.

You suffer for a reason, it is a wake up call. 

You won’t grow otherwise. 
Committing suicide is not an option. 
What will happen is that you will transit from one dream into another dream. Do you truly think you will die? ?

It is all a dream.

Consciousness is just dreaming. 
 

 

 

 

[Gabith]

@Galyna Thank you

[Thought Art]

34 minutes ago, Galyna said:

You think your body and ego are separate from this present moment. It is a naive statement. Go and explore what truly your ego is along with body and physical reality. 

No I’m saying the opposite

hehe, I’m a Qigong teacher don’t forget 

I can understand why you assumed that though. All good.

Edited October 21, 2022 by Thought Art

[Galyna]

19 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

No I’m saying the opposite

hehe, I’m a Qigong teacher don’t forget 

I can understand why you assumed that though. All good.

But a statement that you can kill your ego is wrong. There is nothing there to kill in the first place. You think you have an ego and it is some kind autonomous entity.

Look around your room right now, everything is information in your current visual field. You are the whole entire field, everything, absolutely EVERYTHING you are perceiving right at this second.

But to create an illusion of the separate self, there are thoughts (mental sensual images, auditory labels) on top of what you are perceiving right at this second.

Thoughts are needed for a purpose of the explanation and orientation in this visual field, you call “reality”. Otherwise, you would go insane and can not orient yourself, even could not locate or understand what you are.

Now, you are the whole entire picture. What you call ego is the perception (sounds, feelings, smells, tactile sensations and visual images + plus thoughts) that come and go and form the idea of the separate subjective experience.

Who are you going to kill there? If you mean “the voice” inside of your head, then sure, give it a try, it is impossible to kill it, however. @Gabith

 

Edited October 21, 2022 by Galyna

[Thought Art]

@Galyna hey, I am very interested in this topic. Could we use the Socratic method going forward? Let me know if we can discuss that for a few responses before we go about discussing ego.

[Galyna]

1 minute ago, Thought Art said:

@Galyna hey, I am very interested in this topic. Could we use the Socratic method going forward? Let me know if we can discuss that for a few responses before we go about discussing ego.

Sure, who do you want to be a teacher or a student? You pick. 

[Thought Art]

@Galyna I think the roles can be played out mutually. We can both as questions to deeper understanding of each others words, experiences etc

You seem to be in a teacher role atm, wanna start there?

Edited October 21, 2022 by Thought Art

[Galyna]

5 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Galyna I think the roles can be played out mutually. We can both as questions to deeper understanding of each others words, experiences etc

I don’t have any questions to ask. Do you? 

[Thought Art]

@Galyna yes, I’ll reply in a bit 

[Galyna]

30 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

You seem to be in a teacher role atm, wanna start there?

By no means I claim that I am any kind of a teacher. I am sharing with people of what I have discovered. You are your own teacher. I just want to be of service to others!

Edited October 21, 2022 by Galyna

[Someone here]

5 hours ago, Gabith said:

Why is suicide discouraged in religions and in general in spirituality?

Would there be bad consequences?

What if we commit suicide by self-love because we are stuck in a situation of great suffering for example? Would it be okay ?

Because death is unknown to us . Even if you are in a great suffering..how would you know that what comes after death isn't even worse than your current life ?

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Gabith, I believe that Galyna is right. Suicide doesn't end anything. Mind and body are two different aspects of the human experience. The mind spends a lot of energy on thought and emotional processes. The stronger the emotions, the more intrusive thoughts and the more power is used. Kundalini practice shows you this in black and white. Through the course of very demanding physical-breathing exercises and meditation in very uncomfortable and painful positions - you focus on your breathing. This allows you to observe the narrative of the mind, which finally screams, "you can't make it, fuck me, that's enough !!". The breath guides you through this scream and begins to distance you from it until it disappears somewhere beyond the horizon. Then these gigawatts of energy are at your disposal, and suddenly it turns out that the body you think you know is just going into some turbo speed. The expansion begins, which - this is the most interesting - you know well. Have a try. I recommend it with all my heart. Find only a truly committed teacher.
And don't punish your body. It was not at fault, and turning it off will only make the fuss worse. Besides, it's a great vehicle—99.99% self-repairing, self-loading super suit. You need to know it well. You will see for yourself. Good luck!