Limits of left politics.

[Danioover9000]

   This is a very interesting video of Destiny doing something similar to Leo, in that claiming the wokeness left has gone too far change my mind type of video. I felt this was copying Steven Crowder's approach, but it is what it is. What are your thoughts after watching the video?

 

bonus video:

 

[Leo Gura]

Destiny has a good sense of where leftists go too far. That's what makes him unique on the left.

[Tyler Robinson]

But destiny was banned. Gone too far I guess. 

[Space]

18 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

   This is a very interesting video of Destiny doing something similar to Leo, in that claiming the wokeness left has gone too far change my mind type of video. I felt this was copying Steven Crowder's approach, but it is what it is. What are your thoughts after watching the video?

Yea i've been watching a lot of Destiny recently so I saw these two videos. 

He definitely has a unique ability to view topics from multiple perspectives. He's said before that if you can't genuinely argue for the opposing side then you don't fully understand them, which I think is partly true. 

He was intentionally copying Steven Crowder's videos, that was part of the whole thing. He was trying to do what Crowder did without being so dogmatic and ideological. 

This conversation below was quite good as well. Definitely ties in with what Leo talked about in his recent left-wing videos, how right-wingers are very strongly attached to the survival of their culture:

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by Space

[StarStruck]

Last two videos on politics were long ass. I didn't watch all of it but I could have been summarized in 30-60 minutes each.

[trenton]

@Leo Gura I think you did an excellent job on your two recent videos. I was pretty glued to the video because I really want to understand healthy forms of stage blue and orange. Sometimes it can be hard to find because like the left wing, the right wing excessively demonizes And straw mans the other side. I think you have covered most of the oversights from the left pretty well. I had two points of disagreement.

One would be how you discussed conservative blacks. According to Pew research studies blacks are more likely to vote Democrat than whites on a national scale. You seem to mean blacks in southern states, in which case it makes sense. Apparently, there are some blacks who are fed up with BLM creating a victim mindset and becoming unproductive. This seems like an interesting topic.

The second point is trans issues. I think you made a good point that to most people who are not LGBTQ these issues are not relevant for improving their lives. Sometimes other people seem bothered that I'm a straight white male. Somehow there is a stigma to not being a victim in leftist group think. Of course I could be a victim in other ways like a bad family full of drug addicts. This might make conservatives close minded to psychedelics as it did to me initially.

The problem is how you placed a gender transition next to a transition to another species of animal. You seem to misunderstand the actual position of most leftists on gender issues. In the case of women, sometimes they have y chromosomes that did not develop as they normally would. Some leftists distinguish this from transitioning to another species arguing that the difference between a man and an animal is more fundamentally different than the difference between a man and woman. The left does not think of gender issues like the South Park episode in which a man became a dolphin. Comparing gender transition to a unicorn transition or an animal is believed to be a misleading comparison in leftist thought. I'm not saying I agree with the leftist position on all of this, but this seems to be the actual position.

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Destiny has a good sense of where leftists go too far. That's what makes him unique on the left.

   Yes, he's one of the very few on the left, in online spheres to have a balanced take on whichever side is going too far, also thanks to his decades of debating other people. Also, one of the rare individuals that started conservative, then went moderate conservative, then very left leaning, and now is solidly a centrist. Not many people have that kind of evolution in their politics at least.

[Danioover9000]

@StarStruck

4 hours ago, StarStruck said:

Last two videos on politics were long ass. I didn't watch all of it but I could have been summarized in 30-60 minutes each.

   How would you summarize Leo's two videos on where the left goes wrong part 1 and 2, in 3 paragraphs at least? 

[Danioover9000]

@trenton

1 hour ago, trenton said:

@Leo Gura I think you did an excellent job on your two recent videos. I was pretty glued to the video because I really want to understand healthy forms of stage blue and orange. Sometimes it can be hard to find because like the left wing, the right wing excessively demonizes And straw mans the other side. I think you have covered most of the oversights from the left pretty well. I had two points of disagreement.

One would be how you discussed conservative blacks. According to Pew research studies blacks are more likely to vote Democrat than whites on a national scale. You seem to mean blacks in southern states, in which case it makes sense. Apparently, there are some blacks who are fed up with BLM creating a victim mindset and becoming unproductive. This seems like an interesting topic.

The second point is trans issues. I think you made a good point that to most people who are not LGBTQ these issues are not relevant for improving their lives. Sometimes other people seem bothered that I'm a straight white male. Somehow there is a stigma to not being a victim in leftist group think. Of course I could be a victim in other ways like a bad family full of drug addicts. This might make conservatives close minded to psychedelics as it did to me initially.

The problem is how you placed a gender transition next to a transition to another species of animal. You seem to misunderstand the actual position of most leftists on gender issues. In the case of women, sometimes they have y chromosomes that did not develop as they normally would. Some leftists distinguish this from transitioning to another species arguing that the difference between a man and an animal is more fundamentally different than the difference between a man and woman. The left does not think of gender issues like the South Park episode in which a man became a dolphin. Comparing gender transition to a unicorn transition or an animal is believed to be a misleading comparison in leftist thought. I'm not saying I agree with the leftist position on all of this, but this seems to be the actual position.

     It could be intentional to make that comparison, maybe to shock them and wake them up.

[Danioover9000]

@Space

5 hours ago, Space said:

Yea i've been watching a lot of Destiny recently so I saw these two videos. 

He definitely has a unique ability to view topics from multiple perspectives. He's said before that if you can't genuinely argue for the opposing side then you don't fully understand them, which I think is partly true. 

He was intentionally copying Steven Crowder's videos, that was part of the whole thing. He was trying to do what Crowder did without being so dogmatic and ideological. 

This conversation below was quite good as well. Definitely ties in with what Leo talked about in his recent left-wing videos, how right-wingers are very strongly attached to the survival of their culture:

 

   Sorry, I meant when I said Destiny was copying Steven Crowder, is in that he's hosting outdoor debates and discussions, while having a sit down with some of those people, in college campuses. I did not mean he's literally copying Crowder's tactics and drama making. Of course, not the only thing he did, he also goes to lecture places and have live debates with other online political spokespeople, and sometimes in crowds. Majority of Destiny's content making is in his place though.

   Definitely agree with Destiny, in context to debating, you really should understand the opposite perspective of the issue you're arguing. It's a good view to take and integrate across other contexts, the steel manning method.

[Danioover9000]

@Tyler Robinson

7 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

But destiny was banned. Gone too far I guess. 

   I think it's 5 times now. Apparently, Mr. Girl is getting multiple bans too. Both have common ground now. ?

[Space]

Destiny and Lex Fridman podcast incoming this week. 90% sure its not a meme this time as lex posted in the subreddit. 

Now Lex is interviewing people within the streaming/youtube space, there's definitely a higher chance he might consider doing one with Leo. Would be a great match imo.

Edited November 1, 2022 by Space

[Danioover9000]

@Space

1 hour ago, Space said:

Destiny and Lex Fridman podcast incoming this week. 90% sure its not a meme this time as lex posted in the subreddit. 

Now Lex is interviewing people within the streaming/youtube space, there's definitely a higher chance he might consider doing one with Leo. Would be a great match imo.

   That's interesting, because I think it's likely he's doing it partly to spite Mr. Girl:

 

[Space]

@Danioover9000 Nah definitely not. They don't hate each other, they're on very good terms. Lex has been speaking with Destiny for quite a while, as far as I understand.