Originality vs copy catting: big mistake to forget 'originality'?

[Danioover9000]

   This is the video that inspired me to post this:

   On the one hand, I agree if some artists get insecure or paranoid if they are likely plagiarizing, but on the other hand, some artists do develop their own unique styles of art. So, is she wrong, or are there some exceptions? What are your thoughts?

 

[BipolarGrowth]

The vast amalgamation of inspiration in an artist’s mind is what is truly original even more so than the content which is created. 

[Danioover9000]

@BipolarGrowth

28 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

The vast amalgamation of inspiration in an artist’s mind is what is truly original even more so than the content which is created. 

    So, is the amalgamation of inspiration, sourced mainly from a diversified consumption of artwork, music, images, dances and so on, or is the amalgamation independent from those external sources, and are generated in one's internal world?

[Danioover9000]

   Also, there's the human relative domain issue, of plagiarism and copy catting done poorly as well. What are your thoughts on this point?

[BipolarGrowth]

@Danioover9000 well the inspiration definitely relies on “external” sources mixing with “internal” sources IMO. 
 

Copy catting done poorly is just that. It’s just not that appealing because it’s done poorly. If you can “copy cat” better than the original source of inspiration, then this is copy catting done exceptionally well which usually takes off and can even be seen as original just because of how good it is. People really care more about the quality produced more than where it comes from in practice, at least that’s my view. 

[amanen]

6 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

What I realized is that originality naturally comes when the artist gives up on being original and that means she allows herself to do what other artists do/did, aka 'stealing like an artist'.

Instead of focusing on trying to be original she is just letting herself to be in the process and to create, without judging it as original or not, and then naturally without realizing she adds something spontaneous and unique of her own from her uniqe subjective world view. And then she creates something that is completely new, original. something that no one has ever done before. It might resemble someone else's artwork but it's not the same.

In the past I was afraid of copying masters and other artists, I felt ashamed, like a cheater. Later I realized that it's important to copy masters and other artists because that's how I can learn. This is actually the best way to learn. There are people who do/did art better than me right now and know/knew more than I do, so that's the most reasonable and humble thing to do which is to learn from them, and the best way to learn from them is to copy their artworks.

 

 

 

Personally as a hobby artist (painting, drawing, etc) in my experience just letting yourself do what you feel is good makes originality spontaneously. Of course looking at other art for inspiration is a part of this, but originality just comes from not trying to be original but just doing what you like.

[Danioover9000]

@BipolarGrowth

2 hours ago, BipolarGrowth said:

@Danioover9000 well the inspiration definitely relies on “external” sources mixing with “internal” sources IMO. 
 

Copy catting done poorly is just that. It’s just not that appealing because it’s done poorly. If you can “copy cat” better than the original source of inspiration, then this is copy catting done exceptionally well which usually takes off and can even be seen as original just because of how good it is. People really care more about the quality produced more than where it comes from in practice, at least that’s my view. 

   In your opinion, which, isn't original? Like the English letters, words, sentences, paragraphs and such, that have to be taught to you by some other, to force you to repeat this language, using your vocal cord and mouth, and eyes and hands to read and write and type and speak? Similarly, to drawing?

   You mean people care more when the artwork serves their worldview, and entertains them, makes them feel human?

   I guess most artist who lean more to study and copy masters, and less to discover your own style, own uniqueness, are just too scared to draw what they authentically want to draw? So, is drawing original work mostly comes from the mental images in your mind? Or emotional states? Maybe a memory of a jingle bell sound, triggers a jingle bell, and because of the nostalgia, it feels right to draw, or whatever creative activity one does?

[Danioover9000]

@Danioover9000

4 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

   This is the video that inspired me to post this:

   On the one hand, I agree if some artists get insecure or paranoid if they are likely plagiarizing, but on the other hand, some artists do develop their own unique styles of art. So, is she wrong, or are there some exceptions? What are your thoughts?

 

   Also, fuck the click bait title, even though yes, she covers some parts of the topic of originality vs collage of other artist's artworks in your mind, Uniqueness of own style vs conformity of other artist's styles, selfness made artist vs otherness made artists, master of one art vs chameleon Jack of all trades. HOWEVER, the quality of the video is shallow and is too biased against originality, and does not answer some of my deeper questions of this one source vs multiple sources of inspiration.

Edited October 14, 2022 by Danioover9000

[Danioover9000]

@Lila9

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

What I realized is that originality naturally comes when the artist gives up on being original and that means she allows herself to do what other artists do/did, aka 'stealing like an artist'.

Instead of focusing on trying to be original she is just letting herself to be in the process and to create, without judging it as original or not, and then naturally without realizing she adds something spontaneous and unique of her own from her uniqe subjective world view. And then she creates something that is completely new, original. something that no one has ever done before. It might resemble someone else's artwork but it's not the same.

In the past I was afraid of copying masters and other artists, I felt ashamed, like a cheater. Later I realized that it's important to copy masters and other artists because that's how I can learn. This is actually the best way to learn. There are people who do/did art better than me right now and know/knew more than I do, so that's the most reasonable and humble thing to do which is to learn from them, and the best way to learn from them is to copy their artworks.

 

 

 

   Wait, what do you mean by giving up on being original? Like just copy and steal other artists artwork and layouts blatantly?

    You mean she just lowers or shuts off the critical voice of the analytical mind voice?

   It may be the best way to learn, although Leo still has the learning equals behavior change, observation and distinction videos, yet to cover learning equals construction, and all the above I list I consider higher forms of learning than just copy people. Unless you meant to say to just do the artwork in your direct experience and learn from trial and error? If that's the case I kind of agree, as I'm learning to use a drawing software and getting used to that, while checking very few times on YouTube tutorials. 

   Another issue with just copying mostly, is it gets boring. No, seriously, it gets super boring, and costs much more attention and mental energy than you would expect, which is why I struggle drawing from observation, because I'm essentially copying what I'm seeing which isn't as stimulating than drawing from my imagination, which is why, if I'm assuming correctly, why I have a problem with statements of originality is dead, when it isn't dead!

Edited October 14, 2022 by Danioover9000