Jury Decisions Announced in Parkland Shooting Trial

[The Mystical Man]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/13/us/parkland-trial-verdict

[Thought Art]

What did they announce ?

Death Sentence. 
 

Yeah, 100%

Edited October 13, 2022 by Thought Art

[The Mystical Man]

7 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

What did they announce ?

Life in prison. I didn't expect that, but, in my opinion, it's the right verdict.

[Thought Art]

@The Mystical Man oh I thought it was death sentence 

[Thought Art]

@The Mystical Man I think he deserves the death sentence. For the families and the victims…

[The Mystical Man]

5 hours ago, Thought Art said:

@The Mystical Man I think he deserves the death sentence. For the families and the victims…

I understand the suffering of the families but executing Cruz doesn't help them one iota.

[Leo Gura]

And what's the point of keeping him in a cage for 60 years?

How does this benefit society one iota?

Edited October 14, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

@The Mystical Man So they now they must waste all that tax money keeping this guy alive? They might as well just do away with him. He obviously can’t be trusted in society after you know, brutally murdering 17 people. 
 

It probably does help the families because they at least gain a sense of justice that he was dealt with. Knowing he is still alive while their baby is dead feels like an injustice. Why does Cruz get to live after what he did?

Edited October 14, 2022 by Thought Art

[The Mystical Man]

49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

How does this benefit society one iota?

It has to do with upholding the value of dignity. Besides, having a death sentence makes everything more complicated. Who deserves such a sentence under what circumstances? It's much easier and cheaper to keep people away from society until they die a natural death. 

[Thought Art]

@The Mystical Man He shot and killed 17 people 14 of them children. 
 

It’s not like he was just caught with a bit of weed.

[The Mystical Man]

4 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

So they now they must waste all that tax money keeping this guy alive?

As I have said, execution costs more than life in prison.

[Thought Art]

@The Mystical Man I also thought when you said dignity, that the parents and families affected by this would say not putting him to death shows a lack of dignity. 
 

I’ll have to look into the costs. 

[The Mystical Man]

12 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Why does Cruz get to live after what he did?

Eye for an eye? That's stage red.

Edited October 14, 2022 by The Mystical Man

[Thought Art]

@The Mystical Man Your dealing with a mass murderer. It’s not about eye for an eye but putting the whole thing to a nearer rest. If you kill 17 people, society should exterminate you. 
 

Also, to the extent that anything I’m saying has stage red qualities… we aren’t demonizing stage red. It’s a valuable stage like any other.

If someone murders 17 people, and there is 100% evidence they did it. I think the death sentence is reasonable. 
 

But, life in prison vs death sentence? Seems trivial almost. 
 

I am also still forming my opinion on this. 

Edited October 14, 2022 by Thought Art

[AtheisticNonduality]

Yes, I'm looking forward to having an exact repeat of the other death penalty thread . . .

[The Mystical Man]

1 minute ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

Yes, I'm looking forward to having an exact repeat of the other death penalty thread . . .

[Thought Art]

@AtheisticNonduality sass 

[AtheisticNonduality]

Human beings are petty revengeful creatures that would kill a "brain-damaged . . . broken" person because he performed a violent incidence of insanity that killed 17 people. This may sound extraordinarily unempathetic, but the families are acting irrationally when they say the right decision is death on this one. If a fully conscious person set somebody I loved on fire and killed them, I would kill that person using torture; so I perfectly understand the instinct to eliminate threats / achieve revenge (I don't understand it in a modern, civilized, legal context). I think in terms of modernity, civilization, and legality - though - the proper route is to experiment on him rather than eliminate him for no good reason. It's just a broken "cog in the machine" that you want to destroy, when you broke it in the first place. So it's reasonable to actually find a competent way of understanding and dealing with such mentally diseased humans - instead of being a hyper-emotionally compromised idiot that deals with everything by killing or that cries, "Waaa, I wanted the government to kill this mentally ill brain-damaged cog for me."

[Thought Art]

@AtheisticNonduality Interesting points. 
 

But, your sort of mocking people who had their children murdered.

[AtheisticNonduality]

12 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@AtheisticNonduality Interesting points. 
 

But, your sort of mocking people who had their children murdered.

Yeah, well, deciding who's going to live or die is a very serious topic with serious ramifications, so concessions should not just be made to a group of people just because of how emotionally charged and volatile they are.