Enlightement is still a dream and Buddhism doesn't go all the way

[Breakingthewall]

a question for Leo. let's see, sometimes members, like amanem for example, publish a trip report where they have gone as deep as possible, etc, and you say: good! you got to the bottom! that is awakening. etc. and then in the forum you repeat: nobody here is awake, only me. Let's see, what is this? a joke? trolling? because those of us who are in the spirituality forum are serious, we don't play. We take your integrity for granted and we try to be the best of integrity.

[PeaceOut96]

On 13/10/2022 at 3:19 AM, aurum said:

From a practical perspective there is fear, but that’s only a partial truth to explaining why people are not more awake.

From the perspective of the God Self, being asleep is not a problem. In fact, if you are asleep it’s because this is what the God Self is constructing. You’re just not aware that you’re constructing it or how you’re using fear to lock yourself asleep. Which is also part of your construction.

None of it is an error. There is value to be had from the experience of sleeping.

Of course, eventually you want to wake up. And that will also not be an error. But on the otherside of awakening is realizing that fear is your construction, not something outside of you that is holding you back and making you a victim. The fear is created for you, by you.

Indeed Aurum

On 13/10/2022 at 0:53 PM, Breakingthewall said:

 High quality. @PeaceOut96 could you explain more or less your process? 

I am in a point in my life where deattachment is a huge part of my experience. I no longer try to get to a special point, many things just flow. After a kundalini awakening and deep purification of mind, body and emotions there is a deep sense of trust in me. I can meditate now I feel deep love in my being, but the downside or you could say the price is that when I feel much pain, darkness in my being is also there where the energy of love is able to get trough. So I am still here thinking I am seperate, but the illussion is not so strong any more. 

[vladorion]

23 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

God serves you exactly the opposite of what you want

God gives you whatever you want.

But what you want is most of the time not what you think you want.

 

[Pateedm]

On 14/10/2022 at 3:45 PM, Leo Gura said:

@Consilience You are so goddamn stupid.

NONE OF THAT IS GOD!

P.S. Your time here is running thin. Wise up soon or I'm kicking you out.

That would be a goddamn stupid decision.

[Johnny Galt]

Something to consider, considering how humans are in the habit of playing the telephone game with language, maybe it's possible that what we name as buddhism , gnosticism, philosophy, etc, it has become something else entirely. This is what I have found. Most have never read the original texts in their original languages and so what do we really know? When we speak to something like buddhism, who's "buddhism" are we referring to? 

For one to claim, I am god, or that to become realized as god is the purpose of spirituality, this is one who is unknowingly still operating through an abrahamic lens and so we are still mimicking on some level without even realizing it. Considering that it is the abrahamic 3 that have desecrated and distorted the ways of old it might be wise for one to focus on dissolving ego and crystallized attachments rather than on achieving some preconceived notion of what the ultimate state of being is. Do the ground work, live in alignment with nature, and in turn one moves much closer to this so called "god state". But, if we are attempting to achieve this "god state" through drugs and the fast path, we create the dillusions and barriers which we so call claim to be beyond and yet one won't even realize it. Note though, sometimes the drugs and fast path can be an essential part to one's path of dissolving and breaking on through to the other side and so a paradox it is. 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Johnny Galt

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, nuwu said:

dont think leo's itch to ban tradition-oriented users is a good thing

Leo said that because he has very insolent and cretinous moments, but as far as I know he has never kicked anyone out of here because of his way of thinking, he kicks out people who are trolls, insufferable,  and with a lot of patience. here he has only said a nonsense and that's it, and he apologize in his subtle way 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Breakingthewall

[Carl-Richard]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

he has never kicked anyone out of here because of his way of thinking

Hahaha that's not true.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Hahaha that's not true.

Well, as far as i know...for example?

Edited October 17, 2022 by Breakingthewall

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, as far as i know...for example?

Nahm.

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Nahm.

Really??? Man, nahm was a troll, and was in the forum for business. In fact I doubt about Leo is so smart as he thinks because he didn't seem to notice, it seemed like he and nahm were the cool kids in the class when it was obvious what nahm was. 

[Jodistrict]

On 10/12/2022 at 5:19 PM, PeaceOut96 said:

Enlightement is still a dream and buddhism in its general form doesn't go all the way to God realization. 
 

Buddhists have gone all the way, which is why they understand that it is not productive to talk about it.  The instant that you use words, you form another useless belief system.  I am not even sure if it is possible to go as far in the modern world with its comforts, perception of time, egotism, and other limiting cultural concepts.  Even the scriptures suggest that Buddhism will for forgotten as consciousness is lost. 

Here are a few quotes from Huangbo:

“If you would only rid yourselves of the concepts of ordinary and Enlightened, you would find that there is no other Buddha than the Buddha in your own Mind. The arising and the elimination of illusion are both illusory. Illusion is not something rooted in Reality; it exists because of your dualistic thinking. If you will only cease to indulge in opposed concepts such as ‘ordinary’ and ‘Enlightened’, illusion will cease of itself.”

“Study leads to the retention of concepts and so the Way is entirely misunderstood.”

“All the concepts you have formed in the past must be discarded and replaced by void.”

“All who reach this gate fear to enter.  To overcome this fear, one must enter it with the suddenness of a knife-thrust.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huangbo_Xiyun
 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Jodistrict

[Carl-Richard]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Really??? Man, nahm was a troll, and was in the forum for business. In fact I doubt about Leo is so smart as he thinks because he didn't seem to notice, it seemed like he and nahm were the cool kids in the class when it was obvious what nahm was. 

I gave you a perfect example. I don't see why you're throwing a fit.

As for the way it all went down, it was just stupid. He allegedly demoted him for not changing his language, which is hypocritical considering how Leo uses the same obfuscating and confusing non-dual doublespeak all the time. "Coincidentally", all this happened at the same time as he started saying "non-duality is not God-realization" (which he explicitly talks about in the "Nahm Demoted" thread). And now, he wants to kick out people like Consilience — one of the most clear-spoken people on the forum. I think the real motivation behind removing Nahm was to denigrate traditional spirituality so he could get to call himself the most awake person in the world. And I'm mad about it. It split off maybe 70% of the best people on here.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

gave you a perfect example. I don't see why you're throwing a fit.

I can't agree, i see in nahm an scammer. just my opinion. 

and I also think he would never throw consilence. Leo is very arrogant and any position that is not his own annoys him, but he knows how to perfectly differentiate between someone who adds value, such as consilence, and others who subtract it. or that's my impression.

[Carl-Richard]

27 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I can't agree, i see in nahm an scammer. just my opinion. 

That's absolutely cringe, but you're entitled to your opinion. I still gave a perfect example though ("he has never kicked anyone out of here because of his way of thinking").

 

29 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

and I also think he would never throw consilence.

Not on my watch.

 

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I can't agree, i see in nahm an scammer. just my opinion. 

and I also think he would never throw consilence. Leo is very arrogant and any position that is not his own annoys him, but he knows how to perfectly differentiate between someone who adds value, such as consilence, and others who subtract it. or that's my impression.

Ridiculous to call Nahm somebody who subtracted value from the forum.

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

opinion. I still gave a perfect example though ("he has never kicked anyone out of here because of his way of thinking").

Because my appreciation is totally different, i saw that he kicked him for trolling and because he was fishing in this forum people for his own forum and his business. But as you said, different appreciations

[Spiral Wizard]

On 14/10/2022 at 6:45 AM, Leo Gura said:

@Consilience You are so goddamn stupid.

NONE OF THAT IS GOD!

P.S. Your time here is running thin. Wise up soon or I'm kicking you out.

@Leo Gura I appreciate your passion for God but this behavior is neither wise nor loving. It’s embarrassing. Clean up your human bullshit.
 

[Nercohype]

Im just gonna throw this out here ?

This one really helped me. ?

[Johnny Galt]

@nuwu You might find John Lamb Lash an interesting one to listen to. I'm reading his book, Not In His Image, and in his book and some of his videos he elaborates on the gnostic/telestai approach and methodology to communing with the divine, the divine goddess, the earth and it's intelligence and he states that mushrooms were an essential part in this. I'm seeing it all as an interesting story and yet he's articulating many things which I have encountered and yet not quite put to word. 

"where the endless ego knot potentially hides truth at all levels" - I'd love to hear you unpack this line of thinking more, feel free to ramble a riddle for me

 

@Nercohype Interesting share. I'm now eyeing up his book, it's only $8 but looks like a useful self reflective tool. 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2022 by Johnny Galt

[Johnny Galt]

@nuwu this is good to bring to light as it seems most spiritualists and religious, they negate the direct nor are capable of educating on the continuum of experience. We are here to experience the divine, not look else where for it. This guy gets it and his work is blowing my mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbmohe4M9nY