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[The Mystical Man]

 

Edited October 12, 2022 by The Mystical Man

[Ramu]

After I took LSD, weeks later I started to notice changes in my behavior.  I started dropping some bad habits....some other behaviors of mine that I've always been annoyed by but couldn't really shake off just dropped....bad habits falling away is a good thing, but what's amazing is how seemingly instrumental the psychedelic was in making it happen.  Psychedelics are teaching tools.  

[OBEler]

@Ramu the lsd Trip did not teach it to you. It change your Brain chemistry 

For example magic mushrooms activate a gen which repairs the mGluR2 receptor. This receptor is responsible for control of your desires. 

So lsd can activate this gen too I think, therefore you can easily drop bad behaviours thanks to your refreshed mGluR2 receptors. 

So you see no teaching is happening here by dropping your bad behaviours , your brain chemistry just changed 

 

Edited October 19, 2022 by OBEler

[Ramu]

@OBEler With all due respect, very good!  However, gone are my days of materialistic explanations.

Es tut mir leid..tsuss.?

[Ramu]

I'm thinking that the learning takes place in the different state of consciousness.  Changing my mind from the absolute solipsistic pov I suppose...hence the term teaching tool.  I used to think of mind as a sort of flimsy kind of by product of brain.  But I'm OCCURRING in my mind...but wait...it's not my egos mind (no such thing)...it's happening in Mind.

[The Mystical Man]

*removed*

Edited October 19, 2022 by The Mystical Man

[Ramu]

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[Ramu]

Sorry for last post... couldn't fix the typo.  Mystical Man's last comment is the kind of snarky response I've come to expect from Leo's extremely toxic forum.  Thanks for nothing.

[halfknots]

@OBEler there is no learning absent of a change in brain chemistry, and learning necessarily implies teaching. I don't see any problem with framing the positive activity of a mushroom trip as having "been taught."

Edited October 19, 2022 by halfknots

[The Mystical Man]

27 minutes ago, Ramu said:

Mystical Man's last comment is the kind of snarky response I've come to expect from Leo's extremely toxic forum.

I think you're misinterpreting my response.

I meant no harm by it.

I'm just playing.

I'll remove my response.

Sorry.

Edited October 19, 2022 by The Mystical Man

[thepixelmonk]

7 hours ago, OBEler said:

@Ramu the lsd Trip did not teach it to you. It change your Brain chemistry 

For example magic mushrooms activate a gen which repairs the mGluR2 receptor. This receptor is responsible for control of your desires. 

So lsd can activate this gen too I think, therefore you can easily drop bad behaviours thanks to your refreshed mGluR2 receptors. 

So you see no teaching is happening here by dropping your bad behaviours , your brain chemistry just changed 

Re-iterating halfknot's point above, this strikes me as a very... materialistic way of thinking

[OBEler]

@halfknots @Ramuyeah@RamuYeah you can see that. 

But for me teaching means something more than just change of brain chemistry. Otherwise, you can say everytime you drink alcohol or eat ice cream you teach yourself. 

Of course you can see vomitting after drinking alcohol as punishment from the gods, which want to teach you, or you can see it from a more practical way (overtoxifying the body) . Both perspectives are right in the end

 

 

Edited October 19, 2022 by OBEler

[halfknots]

8 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@halfknots @Ramuyeah@RamuYeah you can see that. 

But for me teaching means something more than just change of brain chemistry. Otherwise, you can say everytime you drink alcohol or eat ice cream you teach yourself. 

 

This is true though. Every experience we have is a learning experience, whether it occurs explicitly through the conscious mind or implicitly through the unconscious mind.

But it's all good. I too can be pedantic when it comes to matters like this. We all benefit from doing our best to use the most accurate language possible.

Maybe part of your objection is to the anthropomorphizing that may be inferred from the word "teach?"

Edited October 19, 2022 by halfknots

[OBEler]

@halfknots Yeah lets use words more preceisly and useful here. Otherwise we go to magical thinking as standard way of seeing things here. This is not practical and leads to nowhere

Magic mode on:"oh I lost weight after taking ketamin and I was not eating the whole day! The higher gods have given me strengt! They fulfilled my prayers of loosing weight " 

Edited October 19, 2022 by OBEler

[thepixelmonk]

I think saying you can't "learn" anything from psychedelic experiences or they can't "teach" you anything and it's nothing but "brain chemistry" is just blatantly wrong imo. Extremely materialistic way of looking at things. Could just be a lost in translation thing though like halfknots was alluding to. Human language is a poor medium in the psychedelic realm.

Edited October 19, 2022 by thepixelmonk

[OBEler]

@thepixelmonk Where did I say you cannot learn from psychedelic experiences? 

And he was talking outside of the psychedelic realm (the next weeks he dropped bad behaviours). 

All I said was, that dropping behaviours can easy explained through the side effects of taking psychedelics (receptor refreshed). When you call that teaching then fine by me but I know he meaned something else with teaching 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2022 by OBEler

[halfknots]

57 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@halfknots Yeah lets use words more preceisly and useful here. Otherwise we go to magical thinking as standard way of seeing things here. This is not practical and leads to nowhere

Magic mode on:"oh I lost weight after taking ketamin and I was not eating the whole day! The higher gods have given me strengt! They fulfilled my prayers of loosing weight " 

Sounds like the atheist who got lost in the snowstorm.

[OBEler]

@halfknots Sometimes if you explain things in materialistic practical way, you gain more insights.

 If someone gets skin cancer, it would be better to explain him that he was too often in the Sun. You dont need to open pandoras box every time

[thepixelmonk]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

@thepixelmonk Where did I say you cannot learn from psychedelic experiences? 

And he was talking outside of the psychedelic realm (the next weeks he dropped bad behaviours). 

All I said was, that dropping behaviours can easy explained through the side effects of taking psychedelics (receptor refreshed). When you call that teaching then fine by me but I know he meaned something else with teaching 

He was attributing his behavior changes changes to learning from his psychedelic experiences. You replied it's nothing but brain chemistry. Seems like you're just playing with semantics now. Physically embodying behavior in your actual life, and not just intellectually ruminating about things, is one of the highest forms of learning. Saying it's nothing other than receptors refreshing still feels a bit off imo.

[OBEler]

@thepixelmonk so for example taking medicine against acne  which leads to physical behaviour change (you cannot go into the Sun anymore because your skin is sensitive) is also highest Form of learning for you?

Why do you have a problem calling things for what they do. Taking psychedelics is something absolute magical. But these psychedelics also alter your brain chemistry and after that you should not mix everything to this magical realm otherwise you get delusional.