The Cult That Is 'No Fap' | VICE

[zurew]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

I get it .you will do anything to justify your porn and masturbation habit to be healthy even though deep down you know its bad for you.

Its not about him not being open to the possibility of porn being harmful. He is right about his criticism about the paper you cited. It doesn't prove causality.

You still have the opportunity to prove your point with a different study.

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, Someone here said:

@Carl-Richard I get it .you will do anything to justify your porn and masturbation habit to be healthy even though deep down you know its bad for you.

And I'm not judging you. This is the case with every addiction .I do the same with my cigarettes addiction. 

If you want to make it about me, I'm a very atypical case. The only reason I started masturbating again is because it keeps me from spontaneously going into states of no-mind (which scare me to death), and porn or sex is the only way I truly get horny, because my mind is so empty all the time. I can notice the organic build up of sexual energy throughout the week, but it gets transmuted very easily to spiritual energy if I don't release it, and that is why I release it. And the energy doesn't feel like horniness by itself, it just feels like heat.

Fapping is just a tiny fraction of that story. I intentionally incorporated many unhealthy habits to help me avoid no-mind: posting on this forum, using things like snapchat, eating more frequent meals and more meat than I used to, overeating in every meal except breakfast, eating a fruit at the gym, tensing the left side of my abdomen, using suboptimal posture when standing or sitting. So I have a very good sense of what is healthy, but for me, becoming too healthy means there is no me.

I would love to stop fapping, stop eating like a caveman and stop walking around like a beta male. That's what I want, and I can easily do that, but I can't.

Now, when it comes to fapping for the typical young male, I believe fapping semi-regularly is more healthy than not. If you're not spontaneously transmuting sexual energy into spiritual energy, the type of emotional hell you're going to create by repressing your organic sexual energy is truly not healthy. As for your post, I only corrected the mistake you made when citing the study.

Edited October 10, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[tezk]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

@Carl-Richard I get it .you will do anything to justify your porn and masturbation habit to be healthy even though deep down you know its bad for you.

And I'm not judging you. This is the case with every addiction .I do the same with my cigarettes addiction. 

Nah, there's nothing intrinsically negative about porn use. It's how you use it, which is going to vary for everyone. I've watched porn for a long time and noticed zero negative effects stemming from porn use. I just don't find it addicting for me personally. It's almost difficult for me to understand how people become addicted to porn. Doesn't your dick have enough at one point and just want to go and do something else? Lmao

[tezk]

4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

If you want to make it about me, I'm a very atypical case. The only reason I started masturbating again is because it keeps me from spontaneously going into states of no-mind (which scare me to death), and porn or sex is the only way I truly get horny, because my mind is so empty all the time. I can notice the organic build up of sexual energy day by day, but it gets transmuted very easily to spiritual energy if I don't release it, and that is why I release it

This is so interesting. Do you think you experience those states of no-mind more often when abstaining because of the prana build-up? Something to do with the system being loaded with pranic energy and so it rises to the higher chakras associated with mystical experiences? When you say your mind is so empty all the time, does this mean you are basically in a deep flow with life with little interruption from your human mind? 

[Carl-Richard]

On 9.10.2022 at 10:20 PM, tezk said:

This is so interesting. Do you think you experience those states of no-mind more often when abstaining because of the prana build-up? Something to do with the system being loaded with pranic energy and so it rises to the higher chakras associated with mystical experiences?

Yes. If I set aside all my coping mechanisms that I use for avoiding that state and just sit, It literally feels like the energy is moving upwards.

 

On 9.10.2022 at 10:20 PM, tezk said:

When you say your mind is so empty all the time, does this mean you are basically in a deep flow with life with little interruption from your human mind? 

I've talked about this before that my mind can't think "useless thoughts". If my mind thinks a thought, it's either explicitly relevant to the situation, or it's an insight about an idea I need to pursue or a problem I need to solve, and when I do what I'm supposed to do, my mind pretty much shuts up. If I do what I'm not supposed to do, my mind will tell me about it.

It's of course not empty all the time, because that is the state I'm trying to avoid. But it's floating just below that threshold all the time, and I'm trying to keep it there, just on the edge where I'm not too neurotic but also not too Zen.

Within the last year, I feel I've managed to integrate that sub-threshold functioning into my daily life, as before, I was constantly dipping in and out. However, it consistently creeps up in novel situations where I have to be very present and alert, like in the meeting I had recently with my professor and other research assistants, or house parties. That's a bit annoying.

Edited October 11, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[trenton]

@Carl-Richard is this really a thing? I am having a hard time believing that these people are serious. They look like actors. Are they like this for real?

[Carl-Richard]

8 minutes ago, trenton said:

@Carl-Richard is this really a thing? I am having a hard time believing that these people are serious. They look like actors. Are they like this for real?

It's a skit.

[trenton]

@Carl-Richard thanks for confirming. I genuinely could not tell because there are some cults which act completely insane.