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[Someone here]

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I don't need advice. I have zero problems with brain fog or energy.

And what about porn ? Don't bullshit my ass and say its harmless.  It twists your views on women and objectify women.  Now with that said ..I'm a big coomer myself ? but just saying it as it is .

[kag101]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

And what about porn ? Don't bullshit my ass and say its harmless.

Certain types of porn are harmless — if consumed moderately — by healthy individuals. 

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

And what about porn ? Don't bullshit my ass and say its harmless.  It twists your views on women and objectify women.  Now with that said ..I'm a big coomer myself ? but just saying it as it is .

Nothing in life is fully harmless.

[zurew]

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

It twists your views on women and objectify women.

So, would you say, there is no possible way to create healthy porn? Like scenes that are much more realistic like amateur home-made porn.

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, kag101 said:

Certain types of porn are harmless — if consumed moderately — by healthy individuals. 

Oh really?  What types ?

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Nothing in life is fully harmless.

Just say it as it is and don't shy away from it . Porn is fucking toxic as fuck . 

I mean I get it ..we have sex drives and we like to watch the naked hot women performing every kind of sexual act ..but don't let your enjoyment of porn blind you from its negative consequences. 

Just like my smoking addiction .I fucking adore smoking ..but the fact is smoking is horrible for my health .

27 minutes ago, zurew said:

So, would you say, there is no possible way to create healthy porn? Like scenes that are much more realistic like amateur home-made porn.

 amateur porn sucks . Low quality garbage. I don't watch it . I only watch the highest quality that I can find . Still both are toxic in their unique way . It seriously presents a false expectation about women's sexuality.  Women are not horny all the time(like men ) and ready to fuck always ..that's one of the misconceptions Brought forth by porn.

[Danioover9000]

@Carl-Richard

On 2022-10-06 at 3:55 PM, Carl-Richard said:

You know it's a comedy skit, right?

   I don't know, do you know they're joking?

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Carl-Richard

   I don't know, do you know they're joking?

Look at the channel that posted it.

[zurew]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

amateur porn sucks . Low quality garbage.

Depends on how you evaluate it. If we evaluate it by how realistic it is, and how authentic it is, then its much better than other forms of porn, because these people are most of the time genuinely attracted to each other, and have sex in the same way, when the camera is turned off.

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

 It seriously presents a false expectation about women's sexuality. Women are not horny all the time

Depends on the women, and why would porn create the expectation that women horny all the time? Many people who are virgin and watch porn knows, that not all people horny all the time.

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

Just say it as it is and don't shy away from it . Porn is fucking toxic as fuck . 

I mean I get it ..we have sex drives and we like to watch the naked hot women performing every kind of sexual act ..but don't let your enjoyment of porn blind you from its negative consequences. 

Just like my smoking addiction .I fucking adore smoking ..but the fact is smoking is horrible for my health 

I think that's a bit dramatic. Smoking a pack a day vs. watching porn twice a week are not at all in the same ballpark.

I like toasted bread. Toasting it is nothing but harmful. I only do it for taste. It's a trade-off I'm willing to accept.

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

Depends on how you evaluate it. If we evaluate it by how realistic it is, and how authentic it is, then its much better than other forms of porn, because these people are most of the time genuinely attracted to each other, and have sex in the same way, when the camera is turned off.

I only care about the quality of the video.  I don't care if the woman is faking her moans..as long as she is hot and being banged in the right way then that's mouthwatering for me. 

1 hour ago, zurew said:

Depends on the women, and why would porn create the expectation that women horny all the time? Many people who are virgin and watch porn knows, that not all people horny all the time

Because in porn you see the woman  ready to fuck and fakes her orgasms to give you impressions that she is enjoying what's happening to her ..meanwhile she might actually feel disgusted by it .but she only does it for the cash. 

51 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I think that's a bit dramatic. Smoking a pack a day vs. watching porn twice a week are not at all in the same ballpark.

I like toasted bread. Toasting it is nothing but harmful. I only do it for taste. It's a trade-off I'm willing to accept.

So what's the trade-off in watching porn ?

  Losing some brain cells when you watch something extreme like an interracial gangbang ?

[Carl-Richard]

17 minutes ago, Someone here said:

So what's the trade-off in watching porn ?

  Losing some brain cells when you watch something extreme like an interracial gangbang ?

Idk. You tell me. You're the porn inquisitor.

[zurew]

22 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Because in porn you see the woman  ready to fuck and fakes her orgasms to give you impressions that she is enjoying what's happening to her ..meanwhile she might actually feel disgusted by it .but she only does it for the cash. 

So if we go back to the home made porn example, then this doesn't apply.

Edited October 8, 2022 by zurew

[Someone here]

13 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Idk. You tell me. You're the porn inquisitor.

I only watch softcore basic stuff.  A hot a girl and a guy having sexy times . And that's it . The very idea of orgy disgusts the shit out of me . 

Also..who exactly is the porn inquisitor here lol? I didn't watch porn or wanked my willy for more than three months now ..whereas you fap to porn every week ..so you should be more expert in porn.

10 minutes ago, zurew said:

So if we go back to the home made porn example, then this doesn't apply.

Yes sure.

The problem is that the home-made porn is not as attractive quality wise . Its a big turn off for me . Idk.i guess it just boils down to your tastes .

[Carl-Richard]

30 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 Also..who exactly is the porn inquisitor here lol? I didn't watch porn or wanked my willy for more than three months now ..whereas you fap to porn every week ..so you should be more expert in porn.

You're the one who is incessantly insisting that there are serious downsides to it. Why are you asking me about what those are? ?

Edited October 8, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You're the one who is incessantly insisting that there are serious downsides to it. Why are you asking me about what those are? ?

Because I want to double check that It's not just "in my head " by asking other people about it

. There has been studies that show that watching porn causes decay in the grey matter in the brain which is responsible for your sense of control or making choices. 

Have you visited www.yourbrainonporm.com yet ? A lot of eye opening studies there.  

Also take a look at the nofap forums and see how thousands of guys reporting that porn has negatively affected their sex lives. 

BTW.  I do like porn . I'm not gonna pretend to be not who I am . But I'm also being honest . Just like I like smoking but it's bad for me . The same way I like porn but I know it's bad for me in the long run .or if I happened to escalate into more extreme fucked up shit. 

[Carl-Richard]

48 minutes ago, Someone here said:

There has been studies that show that watching porn causes decay in the grey matter in the brain which is responsible for your sense of control or making choices. 

Where?

 

53 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Have you visited www.yourbrainonporn.com yet ? A lot of eye opening studies there.  

LOL. Have you visited Catholic.com?

 

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Also take a look at the nofap forums and see how thousands of guys reporting that porn has negatively affected their sex lives. 

Nofap forums: the pinnacle of scientific inquiry.

[Gabith]

I watched porn for years like almost everybody but I wasn't really an addict it was like 1-2-3 per week, sometimes I was spending weeks without watching porn. 

Now I prefer to masturbate without porn. Closing my eyes, feeling the pleasure, being present with myself. 
While doing this and being more loving toward myself, my mind opened and now I play with my d*ck & my butthole, there is a A-spot! It's cool!

I was into no fap years ago, now I see it as a potential trap/counter-productive.
 I've realized that I feel better when I masturbate when I want without shame. It's more natural and it feels like self-love to me. 

 

Trying to stop to masturbate for months  to "become better" etc... doesn't sound very lovely anymore to me

Edited October 8, 2022 by Gabith

[Someone here]

31 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Where? 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.huffpost.com/entry/porn-less-gray-matter-brain_n_5418607/amp

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.huffpost.com/entry/porn-less-gray-matter-brain_n_5418607/amp

 

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Conclusions

Taken together, one may be tempted to assume that the frequent brain activation caused by pornography exposure might lead to wearing and downregulation of the underlying brain structure, as well as function, and a higher need for external stimulation of the reward system and a tendency to search for novel and more extreme sexual material. This hypothesized self-perpetuating process could be interpreted in light of proposed mechanisms in drug addiction where individuals with lower striatal dopamine receptor availability are assumed to medicate themselves with drugs.63 However, the observed volumetric association with PHs in the striatum could likewise be a precondition rather than a consequence of frequent pornography consumption. Individuals with lower striatum volume may need more external stimulation to experience pleasure and might therefore experience pornography consumption as more rewarding, which may in turn lead to higher PHs. Future studies should investigate the effects of pornography longitudinally or expose naïve participants to pornography and investigate the causal effects over time to provide further evidence for the proposed mechanism of intense exposure to pornographic stimuli, resulting in a downregulation of the reward system.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/1874574?utm_source=Silverchair Information Systems&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=JAMAPsychiatry:OnlineFirst05/28/2014#Discussion

 

It's not a longitudinal study, so you can't say anything about causality, so the statement "porn causes decay in the grey matter in the brain" is misleading. The study only shows a correlation between porn consumption and grey matter volume. Maybe it's the other way around; that low grey matter volume causes increased porn consumption.

That correlation is also not very strong (r = -0.432). A strong correlation is generally in the range of r = +- 0.50-1.00.

Also, there were very few under-1hr watchers in the study (only 11 people). I consider myself in the 30 minute to 1hr range, so the results of the study aren't very specific to me. Besides, the 0 hr watchers alone (only 3 people btw) covered half the range of the values provided.

Edited October 8, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[Someone here]

@Carl-Richard I get it .you will do anything to justify your porn and masturbation habit to be healthy even though deep down you know its bad for you.

And I'm not judging you. This is the case with every addiction .I do the same with my cigarettes addiction.