Posted September 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said: When they become real to you and then you look to them for Truth, you are deceiving yourself that Truth can manifest from second order. Truth is first order but self deception will trap you into thinking that second order, or concept, is Truth. And then you don't actually awake. @Consilience understands the difference but most will not. Either way ultimately you must become your own Master. After which everything else just becomes, well, second order. Yes, you must eventually let go of the guru, or of the meditation practice, but it doesn't negate their value whatsoever. Intrinsic joy is revealed in the marriage of meaning and being. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, amanen said: Now all the Buddhists will come after you A real Buddhist understands impermanence is a teaching specific to form. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 27, 2022 @Leo Gura Why Peter Ralston all of the sudden? I remember you have always put him above other teachers but also you always said he was atustic and doesn't understand Love. "Say to the sheep in your secrecy when you intend to slaughter it, Today you are slaughtered and tomorrow I am. Both of us will be consumed. My blood and your blood, my suffering and yours is the essence that nourishes the tree of existence.'" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) Okay, enough monkey business. Go do something useful. None of this will be resolved with more talking. You shouldn't believe anything I say, rather pursue whatever is true for you. Edited September 27, 2022 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 27, 2022 This topic devolved into a sad mixture of meta-ironic guru double-speak and sarcastic jokes. it's almost like somebody is going to be thrown out from the forum again. Intrinsic joy is revealed in the marriage of meaning and being. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
