How Much Does Sadhguru know?

[How to be wise]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Jesus was certainly born with special powers. As a kid the other kids feared him because he killed a kid by cursing him.

Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher, basically telling everyone the world was about to end. Now stage Green Christians want to turn him into an enlightened figure. 

[Ash55]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Anyone who is in the top or bottom 1% of a bell curve.

Like this white moose

 

@Leo Gura  I dont remember i was spiritual till i got into sofism by accident i did tones of tons of meditation before having my first mystical experience and i start hearing that am god and reality is relativistic from weird entities  infact they explained to me how reality is what i imagine it to be and if i changes what i think the bases of reality are i shift the reality i was too shoked and confused because i was rised to be sticky a musilm lol

what allows me to make sense of what happened to me is your videos after years of being lose and being agnostic

am even shocked to learn about Hyper-Thinking from you and realize that i have experienced it but i wasn't able to remember and make sense of what happened to me after going back to normal states of consciousness

also i had some weird things Paranormal Phenomena that shocked me a lot more

anyway is that genetics too lol ?


Also like i struggle to access a lots of things you talk about but with enough practice and dedication am able to tab into so many of your advanced teaching
my journey wast that am gifted from what i can see, i can see i did tons of efforts to have a little bit each time
but once i found your channel i was able to relatively quickly progress in my life in many areas (first time i remember watching you it was in 2020)

honestly leo your channel moved me from a lost depressed to someone who can tab into crazy level of happiness whitch is so radical that most people around me would think am a totally crazy person if i told them what i have experience

Genetics too lmao reality is kinda fucked up for most people then

Edited September 25, 2022 by Ash55
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[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know how to quantify my intelligence exactly but if you could quantify it somehow it would probably be in the top 0.0001% of humans.

Your concept of intelligence is quite idiosyncratic though, so that might actually be a conservative estimate ;D

[Jake Chambers]

1 hour ago, Nilsi said:

Jokes on you, if you listen to a guy you don't consider that smart.

Oh i consider him to be smart. He is just saying that there are less than 10.000 people smarter than him in the whole world. Do you realize how deluded that sounds? There is a kid in my country who finished a masters degree at a university at 12 years old. Those are the true genetic freaks of nature when it comes to intelligence. Not the guy who runs actualized.org.

[amanen]

5 minutes ago, Jake Chambers said:

Oh i consider him to be smart. He is just saying that there are less than 10.000 people smarter than him in the whole world. Do you realize how deluded that sounds? There is a kid in my country who finished a masters degree at a university at 12 years old. Those are the true genetic freaks of nature when it comes to intelligence. Not the guy who runs actualized.org.

I think Leo here is using his definition of intelligence that is aligned with infinite intelligence, which is basically oriented towards truth, consciousness, and love. That kind of intelligence doesn't have much in common with how good at academics you are.

[Jake Chambers]

1 hour ago, Nilsi said:

Jokes on you, if you listen to a guy you don't consider that smart.

Also jokes on you for believing any claim someone makes, no matter how outrageous. Do you realize how outrageous a claim of 0.0001% even is?

Also he literally says he has genetics which allow him to reach stages of consciousness with psychedelics that others cannot. Do you realize how lunatic his rhetoric is getting? He went from “you can’t reach these levels of consciousness without psychedelics” to now “you can’t reach these levels of consciousness without the combination of my genetics and psychedelics” . First off, how can you even be so sure of that? How can you judge another persons capability of “psychedelic ability” when those states of consciousness can never be communicated anyway? This just shouts messiah complex. And moreover why is he still teaching us or making a course to reach those levels of consciousness, when we can’t reach them anyway? In practice, if we cant reach those levels, to us he is only showing off his own level of awakening while bullying us into believing our mothers aren’t real. According to him we can’t reach his levels anyway so why even tell us all the radical “truths” which are supposedly meant to awaken us.

I have a lot of respect for Leo for all his teachings and he even reached out me on his own accord over PM to talk about my life situation. I see his heart as pure and good. But I am just here showing how ridiculous his statements are, and are becoming worse over time, till the point where his metaphysical teachings do more harm than good.

Edited September 25, 2022 by Jake Chambers

[Jake Chambers]

9 minutes ago, amanen said:

I think Leo here is using his definition of intelligence that is aligned with infinite intelligence, which is basically oriented towards truth, consciousness, and love. That kind of intelligence doesn't have much in common with how good at academics you are.

I wouldn’t count on it. He has said that there is no difference between intellect and intelligence.

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura<~cannot deleted reference from mobile

@Jake ChambersIChambers I have a question for you. How many people on this earth experienced over 150 5- meo-dmt/malt trips with normal dosage. This is pretty unique what Leo did. I think overall less than 1000 people on this earth experienced this. On this forum maybe 10 people. Correct me if my estimation is wrong

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, Jake Chambers said:

Also jokes on you for believing any claim someone makes, no matter how outrageous. Do you realize how outrageous a claim of 0.0001% even is?

Also he literally says he has genetics which allow him to reach stages of consciousness with psychedelics that others cannot. Do you realize how lunatic his rhetoric is getting? He went from “you can’t reach these levels of consciousness without psychedelics” to now “you can’t reach these levels of consciousness without the combination of my genetics and psychedelics” . First off, how can you even be so sure of that? How can you judge another persons capability of “psychedelic ability” when those states of consciousness can never be communicated anyway? This just shouts messiah complex. And moreover why is he still teaching us or making a course to reach those levels of consciousness, when we can’t reach them anyway? In practice, if we cant reach those levels, to us he is only showing off his own level of awakening while bullying us into believing our mothers aren’t real. According to him we can’t reach his levels anyway so why even tell us all the radical “truths” which are supposedly meant to awaken us.

I have a lot of respect for Leo for all his teachings and he even reached out me on his own accord over PM to talk about my life situation. I see his heart as pure and good. But I am just here showing how ridiculous his statements are, and are becoming worse over time, till the point where his metaphysical teachings do more harm than good.

Wise

[Jannes]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

If the person wants it bad enough, no matter his body type, he will be able to get muscular or fat. Just more work will likely be required. 

No there are literally people who have world class coaches and do everything right in training and nutrition and never get more then an early intermediate level of muscle and strength. And then there are people who sit on their ass all day and are still have better then them. 

[Jake Chambers]

@OBEler It doesn’t matter how many trips. It’s cool he did and I thinks his claim that you need to do as many trips as that to reach the exponentially deeper levels is believable. 
 

The problem is his claims that his unique genetics are the key to reaching these psychedelic states. Could be the case, also considering he considered a bong hit of weed one of his deepest trips yet, but this puts all his comments, statements and guidances in a different light. He is always making radical statements about our lives you could consider insulting, and denouncing other teachers, but it is all done with the excuse of guiding us to the highest awakening  “like a moth looking for the light in a sea of darkness”. “I know you guys don’t like when I denounce every other teaching, but its for your own sake of reaching the highest awakening.” 
 

Now he is literally saying we can’t reach his states no matter how much we trip. So his excuse for being so arrogant and for his stark comments completely flies out of the window. If you make an analysis of everything he’s ever said on this forum you’d think he’s the biggest dickhead on earth.

[Carl-Richard]

26 minutes ago, Jake Chambers said:

I wouldn’t count on it. He has said that there is no difference between intellect and intelligence.

I think he said he doesn't care about the distinction, exactly because his idea of intelligence is so different from how people usually define it.

Edited September 25, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[OBEler]

@Jake Chambers maybe he is right. I mean eryone has a unique Brains. I think if you Trip 150 times on 5 meo you will explore other high consciousness states Leo cannot reach. If consciousness offers infinite states.. 

 

[Leo Gura]

My teachings will not work on everyone. Only on those who are ripe for it. This is basicallly true of all spiritual teachings. You gotta find what will work for you. Psychedelics don't work on some people at all.

But psychedelics do work on a good percentage of people. Moreso than meditation.

Edited September 25, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Sincerity]

22 minutes ago, Jake Chambers said:

Also jokes on you for believing any claim someone makes, no matter how outrageous. Do you realize how outrageous a claim of 0.0001% even is?

Also he literally says he has genetics which allow him to reach stages of consciousness with psychedelics that others cannot. Do you realize how lunatic his rhetoric is getting? He went from “you can’t reach these levels of consciousness without psychedelics” to now “you can’t reach these levels of consciousness without the combination of my genetics and psychedelics” . First off, how can you even be so sure of that? How can you judge another persons capability of “psychedelic ability” when those states of consciousness can never be communicated anyway? This just shouts messiah complex. And moreover why is he still teaching us or making a course to reach those levels of consciousness, when we can’t reach them anyway? In practice, if we cant reach those levels, to us he is only showing off his own level of awakening while bullying us into believing our mothers aren’t real. According to him we can’t reach his levels anyway so why even tell us all the radical “truths” which are supposedly meant to awaken us.

I have a lot of respect for Leo for all his teachings and he even reached out me on his own accord over PM to talk about my life situation. I see his heart as pure and good. But I am just here showing how ridiculous his statements are, and are becoming worse over time, till the point where his metaphysical teachings do more harm than good.

I agree that Leo's claims are ridiculous and the rhetoric is off-putting. 

Deeper awakenings that anyone else on the planet? Top 0.0001% of intelligence? It sounds very arrogant, especially because you CAN'T know whether this is true. It turns people off.

BUT also I would say that he's correct in genetics playing a big role in awakening. In fact from my experience I feel like my genetics have played a huge role for me because it didn't take much effort for me to become conscious of some serious shit. Literally a few LSD trips was all it took (I also went to 2 meditation retreats and have been seeking for some time but still it's a really small effort compared to other people). I'm obviously nowhere near done but I feel like I could go absurdly deep in my lifetime if I really REALLY committed to it. And I'm grateful to my genetics for that.

[RMQualtrough]

5 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

I agree that Leo's claims are ridiculous and the rhetoric is off-putting. 

Deeper awakenings that anyone else on the planet? Top 0.0001% of intelligence? It sounds very arrogant, especially because you CAN'T know whether this is true. It turns people off.

BUT also I would say that he's correct in genetics playing a big role in awakening. In fact from my experience I feel like my genetics have played a huge role for me because it didn't take much effort for me to become conscious of some serious shit. Literally a few LSD trips was all it took (I also went to 2 meditation retreats and have been seeking for some time but still it's a really small effort compared to other people). I'm obviously nowhere near done but I feel like I could go absurdly deep in my lifetime if I really REALLY committed to it. And I'm grateful to my genetics for that.

All self help groups are comprised mostly of "delusional follower" type people. You could take most guys here and find them at a PUA seminar or Tony Robbins seminar claiming to be miraculously better after hearing Tony speak some motivational BS for 5 seconds.

That is why there is rhetoric. The posters will believe and repeat anything, including the idea that you shouldn't believe and repeat everything.

Otherwise there wouldn't be dumb rhetoric because people would just outright say "yo, you're delusional just lol".

[Carl-Richard]

19 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

Deeper awakenings that anyone else on the planet? Top 0.0001% of intelligence? It sounds very arrogant, especially because you CAN'T know whether this is true. It turns people off.

You just have to unpack what those things mean. Being a self-actualized entrepreneur who has transcended survival needs, who is interested in existence, who is not particularly invested in any social games, AND has taken hundreds of trips of the strongest class of psychedelics known to man? That is probably very unique, and all of those things feed directly into what he means by awakening, likewise with intelligence. It sounds arrogant on the surface if you project your own definitions of those words, but it's actually too humble imo.

Edited September 25, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[RMQualtrough]

2 hours ago, Jake Chambers said:

 

This forum is WACK. Srs.

Leo is an actual sex pervert who gets high on extremely heavy drugs and masturbates to porn in the bath. Then posts revelations which came to him during jerk off sessions. There are unnecessary peculiar mentions of orgasming and pedophilia dotted around.

I'm sick of the follower-type people going along with it... Never liked that character trait...

[Carl-Richard]

@RMQualtrough

That is probably a jab at me  Well, if you view my my latest post in context with earlier discussions on the same topics, you can view it as a tacit critique of him being maybe too individualistic with how he uses language. Maybe it's not such a good thing to use words like "awakening", "intelligence", "love" or "solipsism" to convey the type of insights he is talking about.

[Scholar]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

@RMQualtrough

That is probably a jab at me  Well, if you view my my latest post in context with earlier discussions on the same topics, you can view it as a tacit critique of him being maybe too individualistic with how he uses language. Maybe it's not such a good thing to use words like "awakening", "intelligence", "love" or "solipsism" to convey the type of insights he is talking about.

No, it is arrogance. He always assumes the worst of people, it's like if you take the principle of charity and flip it on it's head, that's what he is embodying.

Just think of how many times he says in his video "This is so advanced, you will probably not even understand what I am saying to you.", before he explains some basic shit. Every time he says those words it ends up being something that is easily understood.

 

Nothing about Leo's framework is hard to understand, what's hard is to verify it for yourself. Yet for some reason he does think it is hard to understand intellectually, which means he has some very distorted view of how sophisticated his ideas are, or how much intelligence they require.