Weed is extremely dangerous

[Tyler Robinson]

10 minutes ago, thepixelmonk said:

There are literally hundreds of millions of people on the planet that smoke weed. The "few people you met" is an incredibly small sample size. And these are only the people who outwardly have a problem with it. You've probably met a higher number of people who've smoked that you aren't even aware of because they're just going about their life as normal and the topic never came up.

Umm. You might think so. But this didn't happen. You're right about the small sample size though. 

[Tyler Robinson]

3 minutes ago, Recursoinominado said:

Dumb/messed-up people will fuck up their life with anything they can.

Psychedelics are not for those people.

In that case, shouldn't psychedelics come with prescriptions just like pharma medications? 

Do we simply give out bottles of medications to dumb/messed up people? 

 

[Recursoinominado]

2 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

In that case, shouldn't psychedelics come with prescriptions just like pharma medications? 

Do we simply give out bottles of medications to dumb/messed up people? 

Well, we do do that with other substances (give out freely).

People can and do fuck up their lives with porn, food or videogames.

I can't see how doctors or psychologists can judge who would be able to handle smoking weed or not.

[Asayake]

Weed helped me get on the spiritual path and helped me connect with myself and life itself in many ways. I have consumed huge amounts of it and I'm still sane and healthy, It's not dangerous for all people. But it can make you less productive, especially when using it regularly. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but at some point a break is warranted to make any substantial life progress in the material dimension.

[Leo Gura]

People do get addicted to weed. Some.

[Breakingthewall]

there are people who need an addiction to manage their lives, otherwise anxiety eats them up. They should face their anxiety, but if they don't they need a crutch. There is gambling, sex, cocaine, heroin, weed, alcohol, exercise, work, and more. Weed is not one of the worst, even if it weighs down your life, it will make you lazy, slow, stupid. Another thing is that you use marijuana in moderation. it can be enjoyable, enriching, fun.

[Gidiot]

let the people decide for themselves, there more than enough info, its a nuanced topic and yea id probably say its not for everyone and isnt healthy, but im pretty sure scientific evidence would back that eating red meat per instance is a lot more harmful that smoking weed. you cant be an prohibitionist are you? youve addressed the health aspects but what about the communal aspects, should people really go to jail for posesseing weed when they can legally buy alcohol and cigarettes? i personally dont smoke anymore but i did it responsibly for the most part when i did, i definitely dont think people should be driving on it. but its not the end of the world if people can go to local store and buy some. science says alcohol and tobacco are much more harmful anyway....

[ValiantSalvatore]

There are billions of double standards just thinking about this issue makes it clear people just want to have their own world gratified, just let people do what works and what seemingly does not work, there are larger issues than weed consumption, if anything it is more of a symptom of impoverished as well as "rich" circumstances and in the end the people who get addicted truely go down the trenches. That has been my experience many people who smoke cannabis I've meet are independent and have more of a vein for artistry and interest in that. There are so many stereotypes involved with cannabis use it is hypocritical, as well as many of these stereotypes are just negative and come from blue/orange domains of thinking which can't properly distinguish higher from lower. I can frame everything into a health quadrant and completely forget the subjective and cultural part as well as dynamic, you'd basically had to prohibit alcohol also, people should be free to use whatever substance they want to ingest themselves as idea in itself, obviously the living entity should not be permanently damaged, yet this is not possible. 

I am unsure what this discussion is about, as it basically is just a form of adjustment. I bet I would hire a lawyer on cocain if I need to and I don't have the money for anything else and I got into some trouble on accident or some shitty grey area legal situation. 

There should be laws in place for repercussions in use, if shit like this ever gets allowed, people over do it and are not responsible, I could I never did drive a car high on LSD, as well as I drive when on cannabis illegal. I drive better than 99,9% of people and I still get mad at people on the streets.

If skill does not convince someone I don't know what will. If someone can take a substance and comeback normally and there is no compelling addicition and not a permanent very negative damage present, then it's fine.

Coffee is as addictive as cannabis, and I bet globally coffe would do more damage. I bet people in Sri Lanka could produce paper if they would use hemp plants for production or smth. I dunno sometimes I just think people want to kill themselves. So it does not really matter taking any medicine and or not in a larger sense...

[Tyler Robinson]

@Gidiot

I don't know about the communal aspects. I'm only focused on spreading the message that weed is dangerous and addictive and leads to a ton of problems if taken daily. 

 

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

 

 

[ValiantSalvatore]

1 minute ago, Tyler Robinson said:

I don't know about the communal aspects. I'm only focused on spreading the message that weed is dangerous and addictive and leads to a ton of problems if taken daily. 

If this is interesting just as a biological/health phenomena to you. If read that in adults somewhere somehow the interconnectivity of the brain is stronger, yet smaller somehow so less knowledge overall? Yet more connected. I find this interesting when I spoke to Shinzen as he was a chronic cannabis user and this guys memory and alertness is as sharp as a knive at age 70. 

No taking anything daily is not that good, I would like to use cannabis more sporadic as medicine this is how it think it should be used, yes I admit I am prone to smoking a lot as I struggle with finding proper stimulation. So I dunno the issue is a larger one, if I had proper socialization and proper peers I would not smoke cannabis, yet for me personally the use of language already makes the difference lol, so I just enjoy it. I agree it's damaging.

Yet spreading the message of weed is dangerous and bad is just bad marketing imo and creates the agenda of war against drugs, against of rasing awarness as well as some better stratgey to go for what you think is correct, I would never consider such a thread if it would not be for the .org as well as consider the position and vote against it. Because it smells like to much bias and no room for experimentation, I can't even test cannabis properly for daily use.

So how am I supposed to judge it? As it's illegal lol!

 

[Tyler Robinson]

Just now, ValiantSalvatore said:

No taking anything daily is not that good, I would like to use cannabis more sporadic as medicine this is how it think it should be used, yes I admit I am prone to smoking a lot as I struggle with finding proper stimulation. So I dunno the issue is a larger one, if I had proper socialization and proper peers I would not smoke cannabis, yet for me personally the use of language already makes the difference lol, so I just enjoy it. I agree it's damaging.

In that case you better quit. Seems you are just using it for stimulation. 

You use anything for stimulation, it will come later to bite you back. 

Just like people use cigarettes for stimulation 

That's a dangerous habit that builds up fast. 

 

[ValiantSalvatore]

5 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

In that case you better quit. Seems you are just using it for stimulation. 

You use anything for stimulation, it will come later to bite you back. 

Just like people use cigarettes for stimulation 

That's a dangerous habit that builds up fast. 

 

It's an impossible ideal to not use anything for a stimulus. I would need to quiet everything by that logic lol.

Edited September 24, 2022 by ValiantSalvatore

[Tyler Robinson]

Just now, ValiantSalvatore said:

It's an impossible ideal to not use anything for a stimulus. 

Well. 

Use socialization for instance. It's not that bad. Or video games but in moderation. 

[ValiantSalvatore]

8 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Well. 

Use socialization for instance. It's not that bad. Or video games but in moderation. 

Everything can be an addiction even socialization. Harmony is way more important in that sense. I don't think people are that simple that you can put them all under the rug and just say cannabis is bad and dangerous. 

I easily can be addicted to socilization and talk and converse with others for hours  if they know something and it's in a sense the same stuff. There are to many double standards to beginn with. I'd personally say this thread is misleading and the structure and reasoning of it not clearly outlined and explained. 

I don't know what is damaged. What is hurt. Why I should not do it besides some communcal/public complaint. The doctors also looked so unlikeable and heavily invested in science bias. I did not look at the video. 

It's a serious topic most likely, yet I miss the earnest discussion and not a social condemnation hate thread and outcry for power and some sort of justice.

Edited September 24, 2022 by ValiantSalvatore

[Yog]

No matter how much weed I might have, I will go through it until it's gone. But when it's gone, I do not get the urge to go and get some more. It's one of the weirdest addictions I tend to have. That's why I get weed that's enough for a day or a few, once in a week or two. Then it works quite fine, else it's not a good thing for me.

But things like video games, or tobacco, well that is way, way..... way more addictive for me. Alcohol is also very non-adictive for me. But I have friends that are quite the opposite.

So in my experience, different people get addicted to different things, there is a personality thing going on, despite the fact that all these substances have an addictive nature. Some people cope better, some get benefits, and some get ruined.

[ValiantSalvatore]

Most of these addiction issues stem from lack of love, attention, regcognition and beign put into isolation in some manner beign exiled and then having to cope. I started smoking cigarettes when I was young due to peer pressure and bullying subtley because of skin color and shit like this. I stopped smoking cigs a couple of years later completely was depressed and started again stopped now again 1 year ago no cigarettes and 0 cravings. My marjuhanna "addiction" I thought I had developed as a teen was for me a tobacco addiction and a lack of sozilization and addiction. I had to cope with someones death and nobody seemed to get my emotions, so yeah I had to find a way to cope. 

I don't think OP is wrong, yet the frame is very very bad imo. Especially for people who have been addicted to something there is a reason. I dunno weed for me is easy to stop. Toboacco and coffee are a bit more difficult and not drinking alcohol when peer pressured as it's a heavy point in my culture not to drink sometimes. So consistently beign isolated by demeanor and demands of others and public, frankly sucks balls. Especially when it comes to addiction and serious topics like this. 

That is my opinion so far to that matter/my two cents.

Edited September 25, 2022 by ValiantSalvatore

[ThePoint]

I've never had weed before and I don't ever think I will. I might get addicted and I don't want to take that chance. 

What is the benefit of even having weed? It doesn't grow you like psychedelics does it? 

[Abstraction]

Let's all separate the wheat from the chaff, to weed out the good from the bad

This may be a differing view that may change your mind. Use your own wisdom.  

 

[Ulax]

On 23/09/2022 at 10:51 PM, Tyler Robinson said:

And Leo should not promote weed here in any way. 

 

Is there a specific argument in the video that persuaded you that Leo shouldn't promote weed here in any way?

[Guru Peter Jordanson]

I am such a person that experience badly with weed. Although i am not against it as i know there are a lot off people that derive positive effects from it.This government of my country is not legalizing weed cause there are patients that arrive with "marijuana-psychosis" into the mental health clinics. It is a minority of the weed users but that seem to suffice as an explanation to why weed hasn't yet been legalized in my country.