Major developments in the Russo-Ukraine war

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, Hsinav said:

Massmurders of civilians and children, attack on hospitals, torture, rape etc. were before this war not considered as a rebalancing move by many leaders in the west. 

God you are dense.

[How to be wise]

8 hours ago, Hsinav said:

Massmurders of civilians and children, attack on hospitals, torture, rape etc. were before this war not considered as a rebalancing move by many leaders in the west. 

That’s not Putin’s aim. It’s an unavoidable consequence of his actions. But his goal is to conquer the Donbas and Crimea, and thereby have access to the Black Sea for their navy. 

[Hsinav]

1 hour ago, How to be wise said:

That’s not Putin’s aim. It’s an unavoidable consequence of his actions. But his goal is to conquer the Donbas and Crimea, and thereby have access to the Black Sea for their navy. 

That is exactly his aim! This is a war strategy foremost. 100+ medical facilities bombed in Ukraine is a strategy not a consequence. The better the war goes for Putin, the bigger the target will be, his goal in march was to take over all of Ukraine, things didn't go his way and THEN he said our main goal is Donbas and Crimea.

Edited October 12, 2022 by Hsinav

[Hsinav]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

God you are dense.

Many knew that Putin was gradually being pushed into a corner, however, he lowered the threshold for brutality in a way that not many leaders in Europe thought possible.

[Leo Gura]

37 minutes ago, Hsinav said:

Many knew that Putin was gradually being pushed into a corner, however, he lowered the threshold for brutality in a way that not many leaders in Europe thought possible.

That is their problem.

Just look at all this as America's Iraq. It makes about as much sense.

Edited October 12, 2022 by Leo Gura

[How to be wise]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Just look at all this as America's Iraq. It makes about as much sense.

That’s a very bad comparison. It was obvious that America had no ambitions of controlling Iraq in any shape or form. Their sole target was Saddam’s regime.

Zelensky was chosen by the Ukrainian people. Targeting him is the same as targeting all of Ukraine’s people.

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

That’s a very bad comparison. It was obvious that America had no ambitions of controlling Iraq in any shape or form. Their sole target was Saddam’s regime.

Zelensky was chosen by the Ukrainian people. Targeting him is the same as targeting all of Ukraine’s people.

US had its eyes set on Iraqi oil.

Moreover, Crimea used to be part of Russia. So it makes far more sense than invading Iraq.

Edited October 12, 2022 by Leo Gura

[no_name]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Just look at all this as America's Iraq.

So far you have literally done all 3.

Edited October 12, 2022 by no_name

[Tudo]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

US had its eyes set on Iraqi oil.

Exactly. Most Americans don't are aware of how tyrannical the US was with countries. Latin America for example suffered for decades with internal affairs meddling from the US and exploitation.  In my opinion, France is the only country that has exploited  Latin America more than the US in the last century.

Europe is in a  fast decline, and one of the reasons is because  it can't exploit other parts of the world like it used to do.

 

Edited October 12, 2022 by Tudo

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Tudo said:

Europe is in a  fast decline, and one of the reasons is because  it can't exploit other parts of the world like it used to do.

Exploiting other countries is a bad strategy these days as it quickly boomerangs. We saw this with the Iraq war, and now we're seeing it with Putin's war.

These days a country does not need to exploit anyone to do well for itself.

The US and Russia both made themselves weaker with frivolous wars.

Edited October 12, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Tudo]

46 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

These days a country does not need to exploit anyone to do well for itself.

So why is Europe becoming weaker as time passes by?

 

[How to be wise]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

US had its eyes set on Iraqi oil.

There’s a world of difference between extracting resources from a place, and conquering it. One of them is more permanent. 

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Moreover, Crimea used to be part of Russia. So it makes far more sense than invading Iraq.

Lol. And Iraq was part of the Turkish empire. So it makes more sense for Turkey to invade and conquer Iraq.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Tudo said:

So why is Europe becoming weaker as time passes by?

According to who?

What does that claim even mean?

27 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

Lol. And Iraq was part of the Turkish empire. So it makes more sense for Turkey to invade and conquer Iraq.

Correct

Edited October 13, 2022 by Leo Gura

[How to be wise]

@Leo Gura If Europe invades and conquers (retakes) Africa, will you promise to defend them as much as you are defending Putin right now?

[Tudo]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

According to who?

What does that claim even mean?

Look at countries like the UK, and their inflation, they didn't recover economically from the pandemic until now. Gdp per capita in western Europe has been stagnated for years. Life conditions especially in countries like Portugal, Spain, and Italy are getting pretty tough. Even Brazil has right now lower inflation than all these countries. They don't have a strong agriculture sector or an industrial one. A lot of their income comes from tourism.

Edited October 13, 2022 by Tudo

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, How to be wise said:

@Leo Gura If Europe invades and conquers (retakes) Africa, will you promise to defend them as much as you are defending Putin right now?

I don't defend Putin's war. I just like to understand it. I support the US sending Ukraine weapons.

3 hours ago, Tudo said:

Look at countries like the UK, and their inflation, they didn't recover economically from the pandemic until now. Gdp per capita in western Europe has been stagnated for years. Life conditions especially in countries like Portugal, Spain, and Italy are getting pretty tough. Even Brazil has right now lower inflation than all these countries. They don't have a strong agriculture sector or an industrial one. A lot of their income comes from tourism.

Inflation is a problem around the world and is strongly Covid related.

I don't see any fundamental problems in Europe that they cannot solve.

Edited October 13, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Hello from Russia]

7 hours ago, no_name said:

So far you have literally done all 3.

Being brainwashed by anti-propaganda doesn't mean you are any less brainwashed than those who received the initial one

Our task here is to go beyond propaganda and be as unbiased as possible toward all sides

Edited October 13, 2022 by Hello from Russia

[Hsinav]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That is their problem.

Just look at all this as America's Iraq. It makes about as much sense.

Why this conflict is so large and risks continuing for the foreseeable future is largely due to Putin's misjudgments, like Bush In Iraq but the US would probably not be willing, as Russia is now doing, to throw in another 300,000 soldiers for cannon fodder after just losing (estimated) 50,000+ soldiers. 

Most Americans were in favor of the war in Iraq, most Russians probably don't care about Putin's dream of Mother Russia.

Also hard to see that the US would violate as many laws of war as Russia have already done. The brutality of this war is more reminiscent of a civil war in Africa than the Iraq war.

[Leo Gura]

43 minutes ago, Hsinav said:

Why this conflict is so large and risks continuing for the foreseeable future is largely due to Putin's misjudgments, like Bush In Iraq but the US would probably not be willing, as Russia is now doing, to throw in another 300,000 soldiers for cannon fodder after just losing (estimated) 50,000+ soldiers.

US is not Russia. US politics are much more sensitive to public opinion.

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Most Americans were in favor of the war in Iraq, most Russians probably don't care about Putin's dream of Mother Russia.

Most Russians support Putin.

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Also hard to see that the US would violate as many laws of war as Russia have already done. The brutality of this war is more reminiscent of a civil war in Africa than the Iraq war.

Because Russia is much less developed than the US. Of course the Russian military is much less professional.

But still, US did some evil stuff in Iraq. War crimes are just part of war.

Edited October 13, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Hello from Russia]

As I walk on Moscow streets, people's faces reveal they are feeling very meh about this all situation

Everybody is feeling so anxious and mildly or not so mildly depressed, kinda like post war Germany feel to a meaningful degree

I imagine in rural areas it can be quite the opposite though

Edited October 13, 2022 by Hello from Russia