There's no such thing as an "I" lmao.

[axiom]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

FYI, the whole point of the self-inquiry technique is to realize I AM.

I'm not sure about that. Realising 'I am' seems to come relatively quickly. So long as there is a self, awakening will still feel incomplete (hence the striving for still deeper states of awakening). Wholeness is never found.

Directly recognising this for what it is (infinity, without a self) seems to be final, as no self is left to seek.

[axiom]

6 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

^You see what you are....I am your mirror if you see arrogance....because that's what you think of yourself. Every intrepretation...is self-created about itself. The appearance just is....so you are saying....that you are arrogant.

There is no you. There is simply arrogance appearing

This was a joke btw - there is no actual value to your posts at all. Nor mine. They are just appearances like everything else.

[Razard86]

2 minutes ago, axiom said:

There is no you. There is simply arrogance appearing

This was a joke btw - there is no actual value to your posts at all. Nor mine. They are just appearances like everything else.

If there was no value....then why are you here? Why are you even typing anything....just be silent...you are still striving because you are here.

You are playing a game of confusion. 

[Razard86]

8 minutes ago, axiom said:

There is no you. There is simply arrogance appearing

This was a joke btw - there is no actual value to your posts at all. Nor mine. They are just appearances like everything else.

Never mind...I get what you are doing  

[SOUL]

@axiom  There is awareness and awareness isn't aware without observation even if you believe there is no subject-object dualism.

[axiom]

2 minutes ago, SOUL said:

@axiom  There is awareness and awareness isn't aware without observation even if you believe there is no subject-object dualism.

Awareness necessarily invokes dualism. 

The reason there is an infinite regress (aware of being aware of being aware ad infinitum) is because awareness has been misconstrued all along. It was always a mislabelling of appearance. This mislabelling seems to strengthen the illusion of self quite substantially.

Awareness is where the self is most deeply embedded, but under certain conditions it can seem to dissolve (as per @RMQualtrough's opening post)

[Razard86]

1 minute ago, axiom said:

Awareness necessarily invokes dualism. 

The reason there is an infinite regress (aware of being aware of being aware ad infinitum) is because awareness has been misconstrued all along. It was always a mislabelling of appearance. This mislabelling seems to strengthen the illusion of self quite substantially.

Awareness is where the self is most deeply embedded, but under certain conditions it can seem to dissolve (as per @RMQualtrough's opening post)

....self is both real and illusionary. Denying the realism of the self...is to point to the no self. If you had no self...you literally couldn't communicate right now. When Infinity is partial...it has no form, it become infinite possibility, with no distinction. To claim the self as illusionary is a dualistic notion, it is both real and unreal. To deny this is to make infinity finite. Because you create a limit on infinity.

A self has freedom of will, it has will because it sees things as pro or con. Infinity sees no distinctions, to infinity....everything is PRO. I will make a thread to explain this because people aren't getting it.

[axiom]

10 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

....self is both real and illusionary. Denying the realism of the self...is to point to the no self. If you had no self...you literally couldn't communicate right now. When Infinity is partial...it has no form, it become infinite possibility, with no distinction. To claim the self as illusionary is a dualistic notion, it is both real and unreal. To deny this is to make infinity finite. Because you create a limit on infinity.

A self has freedom of will, it has will because it sees things as pro or con. Infinity sees no distinctions, to infinity....everything is PRO. I will make a thread to explain this because people aren't getting it.

Self is a real illusion. 

A self is not needed for communication to happen. Think of AIs communicating. Think of the symbiotic relationship between mycelia and the roots of trees.

The self has no free will whatsoever. It is not seeing anything as pro or con. All of the thoughts that the self thinks it is having are actually just appearing. The self is claiming them erroneously. 

[Inliytened1]

15 minutes ago, axiom said:

Self is a real illusion. 

A self is not needed for communication to happen. Think of AIs communicating. Think of the symbiotic relationship between mycelia and the roots of trees.

The self has no free will whatsoever. It is not seeing anything as pro or con. All of the thoughts that the self thinks it is having are actually just appearing. The self is claiming them erroneously. 

This is all true but I think he means the Self with a capital S.  The Formless One.   Language is second order but when you become the Formless One you will sit back and say "Oh my God.  I'm God.  I AM."  And you shall smile. 

Edited September 19, 2022 by Inliytened1

[SOUL]

3 minutes ago, axiom said:

Awareness necessarily invokes dualism. 

The reason there is an infinite regress (aware of being aware of being aware ad infinitum) is because awareness has been misconstrued all along. It was always a mislabelling of appearance. This mislabelling seems to strengthen the illusion of self quite substantially.

Awareness is where the self is most deeply embedded, but under certain conditions it can seem to dissolve (as per @RMQualtrough's opening post)

Awareness doesn't necessarily invoke dualism.

[SOUL]

I am that I am.....and that's all that I am.

Popeye the guru man.

[axiom]

6 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Awareness doesn't necessarily invoke dualism.

Welcome to the dark side.

[SOUL]

32 minutes ago, axiom said:

Welcome to the dark side.

You still picking sides?

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, axiom said:

I'm not sure about that. Realising 'I am' seems to come relatively quickly. So long as there is a self, awakening will still feel incomplete (hence the striving for still deeper states of awakening). Wholeness is never found.

Directly recognising this for what it is (infinity, without a self) seems to be final, as no self is left to seek.

As I wisely said earlier, self and I are not the same thing. You are conflating them. Distinguish them.

Edited September 19, 2022 by Leo Gura

[RMQualtrough]

This is the EXACT phenomena I'm describing btw:

To the letter the same thing, is what happened about uh, 3 or 4 weeks ago.

I've used DMT hundreds of times, since. Hm. 2020 I think? Spring of the first lockdown. Last use was about one year ago.

I can def explain the phenomenal experiences of a DMT breakthrough. The precise exact way by which you become "sizeless" especially. And also the sense of identification with nothingness. I can explain that with precision also. Easily, on request. EXACTLY in easy language the steps which cause some of that phenomena.

This was different.

It ALL feels like transcendent shit though. DMT breakthroughs and repeating "Brahman" in a heavy hallucinogenic trance stroking my face like a fuckin' freak, it ALL feels to be something very real and transcendent and ALL is to a degree. That specific phenomena, just like the video, and also the other kinds of breakthrough trips, they're all insanely warped versions of typical perspective so....... I don't really have a clue it's all so weird.

[Inliytened1]

@RMQualtrough his awakening is incomplete. He has not realized Oneness yet.

[RMQualtrough]

13 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@RMQualtrough his awakening is incomplete. He has not realized Oneness yet.

Cope.

Srs.

Ego defence mechanism. Pure cope.

[RMQualtrough]

5 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

This is all true but I think he means the Self with a capital S.  The Formless One.   Language is second order but when you become the Formless One you will sit back and say "Oh my God.  I'm God.  I AM."  And you shall smile. 

People who believe in this are always having "NeW aWaKeNiNgS!!!!" because all of the "aWaKeNiNgS!!!" were bullshit.

They just smoked some drugs and developed spiritual ego.

Creepy in threads with actual schizophrenics when people are competing to act "more open minded" by reinforcing the schizo saying the celebs in the TV are telling him to kill himself. "Yeah man maybe, I'm open minded enough to believe in that".

Edited September 19, 2022 by RMQualtrough

[RMQualtrough]

5 hours ago, Razard86 said:

....self is both real and illusionary. Denying the realism of the self...is to point to the no self. If you had no self...you literally couldn't communicate right now. When Infinity is partial...it has no form, it become infinite possibility, with no distinction. To claim the self as illusionary is a dualistic notion, it is both real and unreal. To deny this is to make infinity finite. Because you create a limit on infinity.

A self has freedom of will, it has will because it sees things as pro or con. Infinity sees no distinctions, to infinity....everything is PRO. I will make a thread to explain this because people aren't getting it.

Stop watching videos.

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, RMQualtrough said:

 

They just smoked some drugs and developed spiritual ego.

 

Or maybe not?  Have you considered the alternative, I know you have.