Posted September 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Twenty said: Women are like children. So a man who can't get a woman will target those children. there have never been married pedophiles? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 16, 2022 I loved my abuser and rapist. Twisted. ♡✸♡. Be careful being too demanding in relationships. Relate to the person at the level they are at, not where you need them to be. You have to get out of the kitchen where Tate's energy exists ~ Tyler Robinson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 16, 2022 @Tyler Robinson did it feel like a loving relationship to you ? from that past mindset? "You have to allow yourself to not know"- Peter Ralston Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 16, 2022 Just now, Chives99 said: @Tyler Robinson did it feel like a loving relationship to you ? from that past mindset? Pikachu face. ♡✸♡. Be careful being too demanding in relationships. Relate to the person at the level they are at, not where you need them to be. You have to get out of the kitchen where Tate's energy exists ~ Tyler Robinson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 16, 2022 Guys guys. You all mean different things by child and are misunderstanding each other. Someone here is using that to mean their body, someone their mind and someone their energy. They are all different in this context. A child, just like the self, isn't an objective definition. A pedophile can love the body of the child but not care about the mind. Or love both of them. Which one do you call love? Depends on you. Society calls the later love more often. Which is what the OP has mentioned he means by love. In this sense, a pedophile, in the sense that OP mentions he means it for the purpose of this conversation, a rapist of children, does not love children. But OP you also need to understand your definition of love is just a definition. Leo uses a different definition in his blog posts. Which allows for just the love of the body to be called love. In that definition a rapist of children does love them. You might say it's not love if it's not loving one's mind and energy. But that's another definition and there is nothing objective about it. Unless you want to call majority opinion as objectivity. The main confusion in this post replies is of misunderstanding what each here means by love and children. It's futile trying to argue whether someone loves something or not because the definition of love and the object to be loved in that context is at the hands of the debators. You can even argue I love my enemies because I focus my attention on them. And in a fight, I focus so much on my opponent that I become them. Therefore loving them. See? It's so easy to argue love because we already are everything. A rapist can rape not just for the sex but also for the screams and trauma he inflicts. There's a whole category called hurtcore many pedophiles love which centers around hurting children. Now would you say such a pedophile loves children? The one who thinks just love of the body qualifies will say yes. One who thinks love also means love of the other's mind and/or energy would say no. In this case not only does the rapist love the body but loves actively the hurting of the other's mind. Now, here's the most important bit. Would you call that hurting a part of the other's mind or something a part of the rapist's mind? Depending on this definition, will imply whether rapist loves his mind or the other's. Where. Do. You. Draw the line between self and other specially in the case of mind's? This is an important question to ask here, I am not just preaching neo advaitan shit here. What's important is not to see where a line is being drawn but that a line is being drawn in the first place. That implies oneness. You see since it's all one the definition of love becomes infinite and then it becomes a fool's errand trying to argue who loves what because love ceases to mean shit. So my main point here is that you guys mean different things here. The answer to OP of whether a pedophile loves children or not, is vague as shit and highly dependent on literally the definition of each word. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 16, 2022 @Tyler Robinson an adult cant have a healthy relationship with someone that young the developmental differences mentally are enormous that also goes for people with learning difficulties they're not adult children, they're adults that experience the world differently "You have to allow yourself to not know"- Peter Ralston Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 16, 2022 @Chives99 I'm not talking about pedophilia.. I'm talking about rape. My boyfriend was my rapist. ♡✸♡. Be careful being too demanding in relationships. Relate to the person at the level they are at, not where you need them to be. You have to get out of the kitchen where Tate's energy exists ~ Tyler Robinson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 16, 2022 @Ineedanswers 7 hours ago, Ineedanswers said: @Leo Gura I think we should use different words for love and sexual arousal Isnt is possible to have sex with someone without loving them? If i have sex with someone even though i knew it would hurt them , i wouldnt say i loved that person. I love myself and used them to increase my sexual pleasure. Example- personally i practice pickup. I wouldnt say me or other pickup artists love women though.i/they love themselves and want to use women for their physical /emotional needs.if woman refuses fullfill their needs they call them stuck up bitches etc Most of my wingmen think women shouldnt be allowed to work because that gives them more options in the dating pool because they dont have to depend on a guy for financial support.i wouldnt call this love. I believe if my wingmen loved women they would be happy women are financially stable and have better options, even though that means they might not be able to have sex with them No double standards. If i have sex with a woman knowing itll hurt her that makes me selfish. It means i dont love her. YES. A person can fuck, with little regard for love, and another person can love so deeply, that having sex loses its appeal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 16, 2022 Just now, Tyler Robinson said: @Chives99 I'm not talking about pedophilia.. I'm talking about rape. My boyfriend was my rapist. so you loved him because you were together but not the abuse, he didnt love you otherwise he wouldn't have been nasty and violent "You have to allow yourself to not know"- Peter Ralston Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 16, 2022 Just now, Chives99 said: so you loved him because you were together but not the abuse, he didnt love you otherwise he wouldn't have been nasty and violent I felt like they loved me even when they were being violent with me. Even when they were hurting me. Because they would protect me sometimes. Feed me. Clothe me. Pay for me. If they wanted to destroy me then why didn't they just let me die? I began to consider their abuse as love. It was complex. Because on one hand they would beat me or want to sexually assault me but on the other hand they also wanted to make sure that I didn't die. It felt like love. They would often choke me during sex. ♡✸♡. Be careful being too demanding in relationships. Relate to the person at the level they are at, not where you need them to be. You have to get out of the kitchen where Tate's energy exists ~ Tyler Robinson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 16, 2022 This entire thread is like the Mr. Girl and Desitny arguing about Nazism all over again!!!???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 16, 2022 @Tyler Robinson he might not have been a murderer but thats still abuse, he used you like a caged animal to live out his sick fantasies because he had unhealthy cravings that caused harm to people "You have to allow yourself to not know"- Peter Ralston Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 16, 2022 @Chives99 yea. ♡✸♡. Be careful being too demanding in relationships. Relate to the person at the level they are at, not where you need them to be. You have to get out of the kitchen where Tate's energy exists ~ Tyler Robinson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said: @Chives99 I'm not talking about pedophilia.. I'm talking about rape. My boyfriend was my rapist. So you make bad choices in men. What does that have to do with pedophilia? Did someone do something to you when you were young? Edited September 17, 2022 by cetus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 17, 2022 love noun 1. an intense feeling of deep affection. "babies fill parents with feelings of love" Similar: deep affection, fondness, tenderness, warmth, intimacy, attachment, endearment, devotion, adoration, doting, idolization, worship, passion, ardour, desire, lust, yearning, infatuation, adulation, besottedness, compassion, care, caring, regard, solicitude, concern, friendliness, friendship, kindness, charity, goodwill, sympathy, kindliness, altruism, philanthropy, unselfishness, benevolence, brotherliness, sisterliness, fellow feeling, humanity, relationship, love affair, affair, romance, liaison, affair of the heart, intrigue, amour Opposite: hatred 2. a great interest and pleasure in something. "his love for football" Similar: liking, weakness, partiality, bent, leaning, proclivity, inclination, disposition, enjoyment, appreciation, soft spot, taste, delight, relish, passion, zeal, appetite, zest, enthusiasm, keenness, predilection, penchant, fondness. verb 1. feel deep affection for (someone). "he loved his sister dearly" Similar: be in love with, be infatuated with, be smitten with, be besotted with, be passionate about, care very much for, feel deep affection for, hold very dear, adore, think the world of, be devoted to, dote on, cherish, worship,, idolize, treasure, prize, be mad/crazy/nuts/wild about, have a pash on, carry a torch for, be potty about Opposite: hate, loathe, detest. 2. like or enjoy very much. "I just love dancing" Similar: like very much, delight in, enjoy greatly, have a passion for, take great pleasure in, derive great pleasure from, have a great liking for. Definitions of pedophilia, from Merrian Webster and Wikipedia:(google apparently didn't define pedophilia in their first page, interesting). https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiOwKy9wpr6AhVMVsAKHaNGAt0QFnoECAcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.merriam-webster.com%2Fdictionary%2Fpedophilia&usg=AOvVaw346icsr-PvX6NmJS4mEzeY and https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiOwKy9wpr6AhVMVsAKHaNGAt0QFnoECAQQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPedophilia%23%3A~%3Atext%3DPedophilia%20(alternatively%20spelt%20paedophilia)%20is%2Csexual%20attraction%20to%20prepubescent%20children.&usg=AOvVaw2VNerI_TA_AtMl-X6RxtWS So, I think that if we want to have a deep and fruitful conversation, we need to first provide some definitions of the topic or word we are interested in and discuss from there. However, I felt that this thread, from how it started, wasn't ideal because we didn't start off with strong and clear definitions for the topic and related ideas around it, namely what love is, what sex is, and also, epistemically, how do we know and what to consider what is or isn't love. Because we didn't start off clearly, the entire thread devolved into a war of semantics, which then opened up possibilities of other users derailing the thread, from talking about pedophilia and love and Leo's questionable blog post, to now talking about ex lovers, rapists, maybe pornography, while arguing for each other's unclear definitions and positions on the original matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, cetus said: So you make bad choices in men. What does that have to do with pedophilia? Did someone do something to you when you were young? Yea I was sexually abused by my mom ♡✸♡. Be careful being too demanding in relationships. Relate to the person at the level they are at, not where you need them to be. You have to get out of the kitchen where Tate's energy exists ~ Tyler Robinson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 17, 2022 Everything is love. The End.... You are a selfless LACK OF APPEARANCE, that CONSTRUCTS AN APPEARANCE. But that appearance can disappear and reappear and we call that change, we call it time, we call it space, we call it distance, we call distinctness, we call it other. But notice...this appearance, is a SELF. A SELF IS A CONSTRUCTION!!! So if you want to know the TRUTH OF THE CONSTRUCTION. Just deconstruct the construction!!!! No point in playing these mind games!!! No point in creating needless complexity!!! The truth of what you are is a BLANK!!!! A selfless awareness....then that means there is NO OTHER, and everything you have ever perceived was JUST AN APPEARANCE, A MIRAGE, AN ILLUSION, IMAGINARY. Everything that appears....appears out of a lack of appearance/void/no-thing, non-sense (can't be sensed because there is nothing to sense). That is what you are, and what arises...is made of that. So nonexistence, arises/creates existence. And thus everything is solved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Razard86 said: Everything is love. The End.... ...said a stranger following your daughter from school... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said: I don't know how I was talking about something radically different. I went through similar trauma just a different form of abuse but both in sexual context. @Tyler Robinson That's child abuse. And it can take all forms both mentally and physically. For instance I know someone who had an abusive mother. She accused her daughter of being a slut even before she knew what the word slut meant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, cetus said: @Tyler Robinson That's child abuse. And it can take all forms both mentally and physically. For instance I know someone who had an abusive mother. She accused her daughter of being a slut even before she knew what the word slut meant. Anyway my point was that I began to love my abuser.. I'm out of this discussion. It's getting personal and going into the area of "sensitive." Bye. Edited September 17, 2022 by Tyler Robinson ♡✸♡. Be careful being too demanding in relationships. Relate to the person at the level they are at, not where you need them to be. You have to get out of the kitchen where Tate's energy exists ~ Tyler Robinson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
