Pedophilia= the love of children?

[Ineedanswers]

TLDR at the bottom

Hello in leos recent post he said that pedophilia is  obviously the love of children

i dont think this is true though.

If you love someone you want to protect them and keep them happy, no?

I dont think its correct to say pedophiles love children. 

Pedophiles love childrens bodies and having relationships with them but dont care about their well being.

-similarly leo w menthioned ramsay bolton who raped sansa.

Would it be correct to say ramsay bolton loved sansa because he was aroused by her? I dont think so.

Ramsay may have loved sansas body but not her.

I dont its correct to say pedophiles love children. Pedophiles love themselves and are too selfish to consider whats in the childs best interest.

Btw im not blaming pedophiles.i dont believe we have free will and i dont believe pedophiles get to choose whom they are attracted (similarly how i cant choose to be gay).

Im just saying i dont think you can say pedos love children.

TLDR- If i rape a girl it doesnt mean i love her. It means i was aroused be her. I objectified her

Raping her means i love myself, not her. She was nothing but an object to satisfy me

 

 

[Leo Gura]

On 9/16/2022 at 8:06 AM, Ineedanswers said:

If you love someone you want to protect them and keep them happy, no?

Consider all the people you have had sex with and loved, who you hurt and made unhappy.

Double standards much?

Love is a twisted thing. All human love is corrupted by selfishness. Just because you hurt someone does not mean you are were not motivated by love. Think of all the times your parents hurt you.

You guys have very childish and biased notions of love. How you gonna wake up that way?

Edited September 19, 2022 by Leo Gura

[gettoefl]

you proclaim love but all you ever engaged in is self gratification self advancement self indulgence

do you see it?

do you apologize?

do you make amends for all you fucked with thus?

are you a good guy?

[Ineedanswers]

@Leo Gura

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Consider all the people you have had sex with and loved, who you hurt and made unhappy.

Double standards much?

Love is twisted thing. All human love is corrupted by selfishness. Just because you hurt someone does not mean you are were not motivated by love. Think of all the times your parents hurt you.

You guys have very childish and biased notions of love.

I think we should use different words for  love and sexual arousal 

Isnt is possible to have sex with someone without loving them?

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Consider all the people you have had sex with and loved, who you hurt and made unhappy

If i have sex with someone even though i knew it would hurt them , i wouldnt say i loved that person. I love myself and used them to increase my sexual pleasure.

Example- personally i practice pickup. I wouldnt say me or other pickup artists love women though.i/they love themselves and want to use women for their physical /emotional needs.if  woman refuses fullfill their needs they call them stuck up bitches etc

Most of my wingmen think women shouldnt be allowed to work because that gives them more options in the dating pool because they dont have to depend on a guy for financial support.i wouldnt call this love.

I believe if my wingmen loved women they would be happy women are financially stable and have better options, even though that means they might not be able to have sex with them

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Double standards much?

No double standards. If i have sex with a woman knowing itll hurt her that makes me selfish. It means i dont love her.

 

[Ineedanswers]

@gettoefl 

Just now, gettoefl said:

you proclaim love

Where did i proclaim love or that im a good guy? I think you missed the point of my post.

Im not trying to demonize pedophiles. If i was born with their genetics, upbringing etc i too would be a pedophile. I dont blame them at all.

 

I just dont think being sexually aroused by someone / raping someone is the same as loving someone.

[gettoefl]

5 minutes ago, Ineedanswers said:

@gettoefl 

Where did i proclaim love or that im a good guy? I think you missed the point of my post.

Im not trying to demonize pedophiles. If i was born with their genetics, upbringing etc i too would be a pedophile. I dont blame them at all.

 

I just dont think being sexually aroused by someone / raping someone is the same as loving someone.

i was asking haven't you ever done that in your past relationships ... or have you not proclaimed that you love someone based on an attraction for them

[Leo Gura]

@Ineedanswers The only reason you pursue sex, is love.

You are using a very limited definition of love, and I am using an unlimited one.

The point of my work is to expand your definition of love. And of course you resist that because you are selfish and scared.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Ineedanswers]

19 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

27 minutes ago, Ineedanswers said:

 

i was asking haven't you ever done that in your past relationships .

Have i ever pursued a relationship with a women solely for the purpose of getting my needs met at the expenditure of her well being , similar to how pedophiles pursue relationships with children at the expenditure of their well being?

I can honestly say i havent. 

But what does my post have to do with me?

I didnt create this post to prove im morally superior to a pedophile. If i had their genes etc i would be just like them

[Ineedanswers]

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The only reason you pursue sex, is love.

Ofcourse. But love for my little ego self, not love for the other person.this is where i disagree with you.

If i go out and rape a girl I wouldnt say that i loved the girl. I loved MY egoself. I wanted MY egoselfs desires fullfilled

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are using a very limited definition of love, and I am using an unlimited one.

I think im using the colloquial definition of love.

By love i mean - a deep interest in the other persons wellbeing.their happiness/sadness is your happiness/ sadness. Like the love jesus had for men. If you asked jesus if he would re endure all the torture he went through for mans wellbeing i bet he would say yes , and he wouldnt even consider it a sacrifice.because his wellbeing was so entwined with other mens wellbeing, the suffering he endured by being crucified would have been less painful than watching his men suffer.

Edit- when  people say they love someone, i doubt that what they mean to say is that they are sexually aroused by somoone.

When a mother says she loves her children. I dont think shes saying shes sexually aroused by them. I think shes saying her childrens wellbeing is her wellbeing

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Ineedanswers

[vibv]

@Ineedanswers You are assuming that people know what they're doing or what the full consequences of their actions are.

[Hojo]

maybe the love pedophile have isn't love for children its love for children making them ejaculate. 

[Ineedanswers]

@vibv yes , but i dont think its related to my post

The gist of my post is that i dont think being sexually aroused is the same as loving someone.

I am sexually aroused by kylie jenner. I dont love her though

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Ineedanswers said:

Ofcourse. But love for my little ego self, not love for the other person.

These things are always intertwined.

Sexual arousal does not preclude love.

Stop being dense.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Leo Gura

[vibv]

@Ineedanswers How do you know that pedophiles don't love children? Do you think that because they rape them?

I then ask you: Do you think all pedophiles rape children? Do you think that you cannot rape someone you love?

[vibv]

@Ineedanswers Couldn't it be both? Sexual arousal is also a form of love, be it a rather constrained one.

[Ineedanswers]

Just now, vibv said:

How do you know that pedophiles don't love children? Do you think that because they rape them?

Yes

 

Just now, vibv said:

Do you think all pedophiles rape children?

Even though i know that not all pedophiles, for the purpose of this conversation when i say pedophile i mean someone who rapes kids.

If a pedophile was sexually attracted to children, but refused to rape them because they think itll negatively impact their wellbeing, then i would say the pedophile is not only sexually attracted to children, but also loves them because he cares about their wellbeing

Just now, vibv said:

Do you think that you cannot rape someone you love?

I think its physically possible. Ie- someone gives you holds a gun to your head, gives you viagra and asks you to have sex with your sister.

Or maybe a drunk husband who doenst know what hes doing.

But i dont think you should say someone somoeone who premeditately raped their sister, knowing it would cause her suffering loved her. He loves himself

[Thought Art]

There's a distinction between someone who has sexual attraction/ romantic interest in young people (pedophile) and a molester/ rapist.

Whatever you do keep yours, and other peoples children safe.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Thought Art

[gettoefl]

12 minutes ago, Ineedanswers said:

@vibv yes , but i dont think its related to my post

The gist of my post is that i dont think being sexually aroused is the same as loving someone.

I am sexually aroused by kylie jenner. I dont love her though

if kylie rolls out the welcome mat and offered you her devotion and affection for the foreseeable

are you seriously saying you decline her invitation because your feelings are not strong enough to count as love

[vibv]

@Ineedanswers You could also rape someone and later regret it. It's not that you do a pro/con list for all your actions. And if the emotions get very strong it can just overwrite someones morality if they're not very conscious.

[Ineedanswers]

Just now, vibv said:

Couldn't it be both? Sexual arousal is also a form of love, be it a rather constrained one.

I agree , but colloquialy i dont think you can say you love someone if you are only sexually aroused by them and dont care about their wellbeing.