Criminal Pedophile

[Jannes]

11 minutes ago, LSD-Rumi said:

Love you for your honesty Leo, you rock!

Not to ass crawl but yes!

[Haloman]

It's the best strategy to dive in non-dual awareness to raise your ability to love and heal, but be honest – these imagined distinctions, which is world and emotions are too strong to overcome with retreats and psychedelic trips. Because in a core we human beings are animals and we respond to environment like animals.

You won't be able to surpass human biology with spiritualty and Truth. Sounds nice in theory but this thread was evidence that it won't happen in practice.

[ZenSwift]

@Leo Gura

I can relate with your experiences a bit. 

I was coerced several times to do homosexual activity multiple times with different boys at different occasions at around age 10. The boys were close in age however.

And it was the same thing, not super traumatizing. But my inability to set boundaries is what was going on, because I was uncomfortable during the experiences, but I didn't set any boundaries. Setting boundaries is something I have to consciously train now. 

Anyways, these instances happened so much so that I basically got imprinted with a gay fetish (while being straight, and identifying as such). This is actually more common than people think, but it's rarely talked about because of how taboo it is, and people don't know how to name it to tame it. 

 

It makes sense that it didn't impact your sexuality much because of you being past the age of imprinting (8-12 I believe) and it being one experience.

 

Personally, for my case, at this point, I'm just identifying as Pansexual. But it gets confusing as fuck because I only get turned on by the feminine.

The way I dealt with it was progressively fapping to progressively homosexual material that was drawn until my disgust was dissolved. Basically rewiring my brain. And then later mixing in looking at real life humans, desensitizimg myself further. 

But still, I'm not turned on in the same way gay people are, it's odd. Still will be working this out. 

An urge to try out intercourse with a male is still there, to try at least once, but there's fear there. So basically I'll have to see if I can enjoy some experiences in person and move on from there. 

Also, with deconstructing the duality of gender and dissolving self-constructs has made a massive shift as well in my sexual identity. 

Psychedelics has made an impact too, as you may remember from one of my trip reports. 

[Bojan V]

@Haloman We WILL BE able to surpass human biology with spirituality and Truth, however it will take a long time.

Please read Sri Aurobindo's books. He described what is possible regarding human biology and psyche and their radical transformation.

[AtheisticNonduality]

9 minutes ago, Bojan V said:

@Haloman We WILL BE able to surpass human biology with spirituality and Truth, however it will take a long time.

Please read Sri Aurobindo's books. He described what is possible regarding human biology and psyche and their radical transformation.

+1

[Leo Gura]

25 minutes ago, ZenSwift said:

@Leo Gura

I can relate with your experiences a bit. 

I was coerced several times to do homosexual activity multiple times with different boys at different occasions at around age 10. The boys were close in age however.

And it was the same thing, not super traumatizing. But my inability to set boundaries is what was going on, because I was uncomfortable during the experiences, but I didn't set any boundaries. Setting boundaries is something I have to consciously train now. 

Anyways, these instances happened so much so that I basically got imprinted with a gay fetish (while being straight, and identifying as such). This is actually more common than people think, but it's rarely talked about because of how taboo it is, and people don't know how to name it to tame it. 

 

It makes sense that it didn't impact your sexuality much because of you being past the age of imprinting (8-12 I believe) and it being one experience.

 

Personally, for my case, at this point, I'm just identifying as Pansexual. But it gets confusing as fuck because I only get turned on by the feminine.

The way I dealt with it was progressively fapping to progressively homosexual material that was drawn until my disgust was dissolved. Basically rewiring my brain. And then later mixing in looking at real life humans, desensitizimg myself further. 

But still, I'm not turned on in the same way gay people are, it's odd. Still will be working this out. 

An urge to try out intercourse with a male is still there, to try at least once, but there's fear there. So basically I'll have to see if I can enjoy some experiences in person and move on from there. 

Also, with deconstructing the duality of gender and dissolving self-constructs has made a massive shift as well in my sexual identity. 

Psychedelics has made an impact too, as you may remember from one of my trip reports. 

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[Aaron p]

I think this isint talked about at all...where it needs to be talked about the most. This is a massive issue in society and the way certain governments are dealing with it is so fucked up. They aren't anticipating children finding porn (which is pretty common place these days), they aren't explicitly educating them about consent or anything a lot of the time. And the way they deal with persons who breach laws around sex is an absolute joke.

I personally find this being talked about extremely refreshing and necessary. People are so emotional and immature about the whole thing. The whole thing is just jacked. But then again I suppose a lot of things the government does are jacked

[Girzo]

5 hours ago, Aaron p said:

They aren't anticipating children finding porn

Yeah, that sucks, porn is completely ignored when kids age 6-10 type sex, boobs, etc into google for the first time and they quickly find out porn exists. No tools at all given to children in my country. No tools given to parents.

Glad you pointed it out, I haven't noticed it before you saying it.

Edited September 19, 2022 by Girzo

[Clabber Girl]

I understand how Leo may not have trauma from his experience .... However the pedo guy could be still molesting other boys to this day and causing trauma for other people. I wonder how he feels about that?

[at_anchor]

On 9/18/2022 at 6:38 PM, integral said:

All biases. These relationships with 14 year olds doesn't happen because the adult pursued them. In happened organically, naturally is social situations where the attractive male/female youngster shows strong interest and desire.

Yeah, this was the case for me. But when you are on the internet you get desensitized or something. So it's not like I really wanted to have sex with this man. Yeah, his picture looked sexually arousing for me, but basically everyone did when I had no sexual experience other than internet porn. So him locking me in just by talking to me over the internet, there are many factors. Maybe I was too stupid to be openly gay and look for sex elsewhere and I don't know what else. I'm not demonizing the person. If I didn't end up with him, I would have ended up with someone else. But yeah, he was really selfish. I don't think that I would be capable of doing something like that at his age. Maybe I'm fooling myself. 

[Devin]

@lxlichael also good to point out there are women pedophiles as well, thanks. and while they're massively unreported due to societal values, I think they can be just as harmful. I(male) remember attempts at trying to be seduced as a kid by adult females, and being touched inappropriately, female teachers being inappropriate, I personally actually liked all of it at the time but I could see something happening I would have really regretted.

[integral]

If something is not loved it cannot be understood.

How can one understand something while blinded by unintegrated negative experiences?

 

Edited September 21, 2022 by integral

[LSD-Rumi]

@integral Yes but be more gentle 

[LSD-Rumi]

@lxlichael I am sorry for what happened to your family members. Yeah, life can very brutal and harsh and some of us can get unlucky in life and experience really bad things. l know this is a very sensetive for you, so I think you shouldn't engage  further in this talk, This could open the wounds up. 

And it is the responsibility of the more conscious to support and help those who are less developed. Be there for  your family, they will need love to heal. Be the one who gives them love. 

[integral]

@lxlichael I agree that predators are a problem. Molestation is the same are rape and is often very traumatic. The only points I made where that there is a spectrum of healthy and unhealthy situations that don't involve predators or pedo-minded individuals above the age of 13.

I was touched by my uncle when I was around 10, it was quick nothing serious but I remember the feeling of being wronged, disturbed, high alert and that experience took until adulthood to integrate. Of course we need to protect kids from adults taking advantage of them, I didnt think this had to be said!

Id rather focus on a more complete understanding of the situation and relationships dynamics that arise, the other half of the coin is never talked about because everyone is focused on hating one side and smashing the hammer of justice down. 

 

Edited September 21, 2022 by integral

[Devin]

https://youtu.be/mnn0IU0-atg

1:33:00 Leo mentions himself being molested

 

Edited September 22, 2022 by Devin

[Proserpina]

@lxlichael Great post.

[Devin]

49 minutes ago, lxlichael said:

@Devin personally I don’t want Leo to be treated in any other way other than one that is ultimately in the most dignified way. This thread doesn’t need repeats of x, y and z pertaining to. For me personally if I were Leo I’d be like well yeah “just letting it go” but from the perspective of another’s perception of me if I were Leo it’s like, yeah we get it man, now let’s not bring it up so much it’s not our business.

As for what was actually said, I can completely empathize with Leo in one sense and then in another I feel that many people end up resorting to black and white stances in relation to traumatic events as a defensive mechanism, I remember at one stage I irrationally believed for weeks that “well if I didn’t want to get punched+in the face by my mum at 7 years old and + then I should have been more responsible. My families trauma is my responsibility. Even though I was in a cot during certain stages early in my development if I had neural growth that was a million times more than what it was I could have developed the intelligence to rescue them before any of the biggest disasters occurred.”

All in all I mean it’s pretty obvious what I’m saying, it’s really important to understand that love doesn’t mean acceptance without boundaries. Boundaries are an expression of love and when our boundaries were violated by our caregivers or whatever adult growing up then that was not an expression of love. Boundaries are about the acknowledgment of sovereignty, even if we’re not old enough to intelligently think about a situation towards a final solution, those adults around us that if they wish to be a part of our lives from a place of love then it is in the respecting of that sovereignty inclusive of the use of wisdom to instruct our intelligence rather than take away an opportunity for our personal growth. 

My brother and sister can “come to love their abuser” however it’s Stockholm syndrome when we say this without the acknowledgement and respect of boundaries. This whole physical and even spiritual world is made up of boundaries. When we breakdown our walls, aka all of our boundaries to the goodness of life we naturally connect with some incredible experiences and when we breakdown them down for evil, destruction and chaos to come in we naturally have the worst of our life’s experiences. It’s the same for the walls of our consciousness on an inner level as well with respect to the boundaries we have for those experiences that take us away from the goodness of life compared to lowering our boundaries to opening it up.

We lower our boundaries towards love as love eventually leads to truth and we raise our boundaries to inner corruption so that we do not become the corrupted, the false, at least, this is a learned pattern of behaviour if not something we rarely naturally learn from our environment. To the former, externally analogously speaking this is a free world, the utopia we dream of, that is only possible when the whole world learns to have boundaries around that which takes, steals and corrupts that utopia. As above so below, so below as above, the principle of correspondence from the Kybalion.

As for my abusers or any abuser for that matter, I love them, however it’s because they’re genuinely abusive that they’re corrupt and therefore you a boundary with intelligence there on how that boundary is enforced applies.

Sovereignty <—> Freedom. 

We take away peoples freedom when they violate sovereignty as they should, we don’t just love this them, we add a little prison time until we figure out something more rehabilitative even yeah we all know many of the prison systems are corrupt.

So it’s important to love because yah it leads to the truth of reality and why wouldn’t we love all reality right when we’re god from one non-descriptive lens? We have love on the one side and the side that’s being spoken of here, is respect. When people don’t show respect or just when we feel we’re not being respected we don’t feel the love we don’t feel like that sovereignty that in its truth is the full scope of our potential freedom in the span of realising the truth of god that all is one. Yeah, hopefully no need to add anymore. Moral relativism is unhealed wounds.

For everyone here just a reminder to treat this space seriously where it matters to do so, including too, as a measure of respect towards Leo’s experiences given the scope of this forum thread started out focusing solely on his. 

To everyone here who have genuinely shared here from their hearts I have much respect, empathy and kindness in my heart towards you and hope you have achieved the healing necessary for those experiences to achieve the level of wholeness needed and re-acknowledgement of your boundaries and the sovereignty they protect within.

You're speaking of agape love, perfect love, which no one has, or has to give, or does give, we all hurt each other.

There's a thing in all this, you're reading it backwards, it's not saying you should embrace people that harm you, it's everyone harms you, unembrace all of them. That's the only way you could agape love, otherwise you're part and parcel to all hurt.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Devin

[Devin]

1 minute ago, lxlichael said:

Respectfully, I don’t think you have a philosophical or experiential handling of the subject of morality and consciousness to really be arguing with me. If you do I am open to critiques however I haven’t seen any argumentation that demonstrates. “We all” puts everyone into the same category when all people are different, for example some people are pedophiles and others are not, some get away with it, others do not, some work in charities all their lives and others do not, some do it for the social recognition and others do not. Please only entertain future discussion with me if you’re prepared to actually go into justification that can be either experiential and or philosophically validated, thank you. My last point is at every higher level of consciousness there is a natural increase in other areas of being that make us aware of the life around us that make us wish to better this life not take away as you put it, “we all hurt each other”. If you’d like to explore your own trauma there regarding the hurt you’ve received pertaining to this thread, share and invite discussion or not with the added discussion, or create an entirely new thread if you like, but it’s best to not project your philosophy onto an ever changing world where the majorities aim at the higher ends of spiritual communities is to raise awareness and in doing so healing and growth between one another, not take away from it.

Do you never hurt those you love?

[Devin]

3 minutes ago, lxlichael said:

Respectfully, I don’t think you have a philosophical or experiential handling of the subject of morality and consciousness to really be arguing with me. If you do I am open to critiques however I haven’t seen any argumentation that demonstrates. “We all” puts everyone into the same category when all people are different, for example some people are pedophiles and others are not, some get away with it, others do not, some work in charities all their lives and others do not, some do it for the social recognition and others do not. Please only entertain future discussion with me if you’re prepared to actually go into justification that can be either experiential and or philosophically validated, thank you. My last point is at every higher level of consciousness there is a natural increase in other areas of being that make us aware of the life around us that make us wish to better this life not take away as you put it, “we all hurt each other”. If you’d like to explore your own trauma there regarding the hurt you’ve received pertaining to this thread, share and invite discussion or not with the added discussion, or create an entirely new thread if you like, but it’s best to not project your philosophy onto an ever changing world where the majorities aim at the higher ends of spiritual communities is to raise awareness and in doing so healing and growth between one another, not take away from it.

everyone is in the same category of hurting those we love, your argument is relative.

Do you think all pedophiles across the board want to "take away" from life as you put it? Obviously not