How to contemplate death?

[Jannes]

(The goal is to realize immortality)
I contemplated death before. Normally we (most of society) are so afraid of death that we don’t dare to question what death is really directly. So we can only ask that question kind of half aware because asking it fully aware would be too painful. But that’s what I did on magic truffles a while back. Asking directly what death is in this hyper aware state. I discovered that first the fear goes away and second that I have a whole category of ideas of what death is. What death really is for me is something like "cold, cave, metal music, loneliness, darkness, …“ and all kinds of other stuff it’s ridiculous. But I didn’t break through to any awakening.

Should I simply continue asking myself what death is until I break through to immortality or is this the wrong approach?

Edited September 12, 2022 by Jannes

[Vibes]

For me it happened when I took 2g of mushrooms and was laying on my bed, then I connected to that deep curiosity that I've got since I was a child to know what is death. Then I pretended that I was dead, literally faked being dead (with eyes open). And then... I won't tell you to not diminish your curiosity.

[Someone here]

Death is a belief.  There is zero empirical evidence for it's existence. 

Too much thinking outside the box or maybe madness? I'm not sure anymore .

You realize immortality when you stop identifying as a human but as the entire universe. Basically the whole of reality. The human will die . Reality is eternal. And immortal. 

[Loba]

Contemplating death can be very helpful, but if you're looking into insights into the nature of death, try this out and see what happens - you can do both!:
 

• Wait until you are actively feeling the fear of dying, in that moment - and use this time to delve into it.
• Don't question what death is, don't put any ideas into your mind on what it could be, just observe the fears that come up and move through them, sit with them as a physical phenomenon almost.
• As you do this, pay close attention to your senses in the present moment - sometimes having an image of something beautiful on your computer screen can help - look at this and really get a deep look, as if this is the last thing you will see - let your eyes drink in the beauty, the lines, the colours, and offer full appreciation for what you're seeing.
• Keep doing this and see what spontaneous insights and or awakenings come up.  Don't think on it, just let them come to you of their own accord.  You can write them down when you are done, try not to get distracted.

Do this every time you feel the fear of death - it's like a process where you move all of your consciousness as bravely forward as possible.  The closer you are getting to God, the more the image will have an illuminating quality to it, like life will be pouring out of what you see.

[Jannes]

3 hours ago, Vibes said:

For me it happened when I took 2g of mushrooms and was laying on my bed, then I connected to that deep curiosity that I've got since I was a child to know what is death. Then I pretended that I was dead, literally faked being dead (with eyes open). And then... I won't tell you to not diminish your curiosity.

I also did that in my last trip. Somehow I completely forgot that I did that. I was super confused in dizzy the next 8 hours. Maybe I was at the right path  thanks I will try it out. 

[Jannes]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Death is a belief.  There is zero empirical evidence for it's existence. 

Too much thinking outside the box or maybe madness? I'm not sure anymore .

You realize immortality when you stop identifying as a human but as the entire universe. Basically the whole of reality. The human will die . Reality is eternal. And immortal. 

Although that’s true I don’t think you can rationalize yourself out of the fear of death. My belief that I will die and then have to face eternal darkness is too deep I need a direct insight/mystical experience to crush that.  

[Jannes]

@Loba That sounds like a pretty advanced way to contemplate. Like you need a lot of concentration to pull it off correctly. But it does sound like it could work. Did you have success with this exact approach ?

[Loba]

@Jannes Yes, a few times, about five times, and they were all very intense awakenings with a lot of insight into the nature of death, god, souls, dreams, and other paranormal things - it will be uniquely suited to you, what you find on the "other side".  I tend to go into a mental space when afraid of death, so this does take a bit of work and can be hard to do, but it is so worth it - once the fear of death is over and you go through it, you get a rush of feel good emotions from the process.  It doesn't take too much concentration, especially if the image you are using is really beautiful, basically you just need to really "taste" what you're looking at in a real way - the key is getting present and showing appreciation for reality in the current moment, and when you have something that is visually appealing, it is easier to see God in it.  God comes in through all sorts of ways, but one of the easier ways to get to God is through the beauty of nature.  When you don't put a mental layer of what death means, but really just actually go through the process in real time, then it gives the other side a chance to come to you with what's really true for you in your direct experience.  Because these things come as a revelation or a download, if you think too much on what to expect, then it can give you a bunch of ideas instead of clearing the plate to allow the divine to meet you where you're at.  View it as using your concentration and appreciation to reach out, to reach forward, to meet God in the middle.

 

[Jannes]

@Loba ????

[Victor van Rijn]

Follow the instructions in this video by Bentinho:

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

it's incomprehensible imo. Let's see, I am an experience, like a dream of God, a tentacle of God that has infinite tentacles, but really what I am is God, complete. If this experience fades, God remains. this experience is god, but it doesn't seem like it, it seems somewhat limited. this experience eclipses god. So, if I die, there will simply be god. but... God at the same time is all the other possible experiences. So when I die will I be those experiences? or am I already being? "when" is temporary, and reality is not. to say: I will live all the experiences...it doesn't make sense. they are already being lived. So, the only conclusion is: when I die, all experiences will die, and only God will remain. but then...is there time? incomprehensible

 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Breakingthewall

[Leo Gura]

Not really possible without psychedelics. You need to change your state of consciousness to understand death. Merely thinking about it will not get you anywhere close. Death is too sneaky to think your way out of.

[StarStruck]

34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not really possible without psychedelics. You need to change your state of consciousness to understand death. Merely thinking about it will not get you anywhere close. Death is too sneaky to think your way out of.

Can a near death experience make me understand death? I had one and I had the chance to look into the abyss, it is really hard to explain it. 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, StarStruck said:

Can a near death experience make me understand death? I had one and I had the chance to look into the abyss, it is really hard to explain it. 

It will help, but ultimately even that is not enough to unravel the illusion of death.

What's required is insane levels of awakening until the very idea of death ever happening just melts away like a dream.

Complete Awakening is death. But you're still alive.

Awakening is not merely understanding what death is. It IS your death. You die, and then you're Awake. And then you finally understand. You can't know what death is without going through it. The mistake people make is that they think you cannot go through it and live to talk about it.

Edited September 13, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Razard86]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It will help, but ultimately even that is not enough to unravel the illusion of death.

What's required is insane levels of awakening until the very idea of death ever happening just melts away like a dream.

Complete Awakening is death. But you're still alive.

Awakening is not merely understanding what death is. It IS your death. You die, and then you're Awake. And then you finally understand. You can't know what death is without going through it. The mistake people make is that they think you cannot go through it and live to talk about it.

He's talking about this....lol.

https://www.actualized.org/insights/dpt-the-other-god-molecule

[Jannes]

@Leo Gura Yeah I wanted to contemplate that on truffles or lsd. 
You speak about degrees of awakening. Can you realize immortality on a lesser degree? Because the other member that commented here seemed to have an insight into immortality although it’s unlikely that they all had a full awakening although I don’t want to exclude that possibility. Not sure if I can access a full awakening on my small-mid doses of lsd or truffles right now but death and love are the facets I want to access the most. 

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Jannes said:

You speak about degrees of awakening. Can you realize immortality on a lesser degree?

Yes, of course.

You can realize it many times, deeper and deeper. Don't worry about it. Get whatever realizations you can, small or large. It all adds up.

Edited September 13, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Jannes]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, of course.

You can realize it many times, deeper and deeper. Don't worry about it. Get whatever realizations you can, small or large. It all adds up.

Fantastic!! Leo the way you frame some things it sounds like these insights are only decently accessed on the highest possible way and below that it’s just shallow. Although that could very well be just me but I don’t have really any mystical experience as a comparison so I look for authority figures and take their word for it. It’s super understandable that you want to get people to the highest awakening possible but if you constantly tell them how radical that is and how much their mind will have to suffer to access it they maybe won’t be motivated to start at all. How can they if they never got a taste on what they could get from it. Again, that’s my way of thinking it could very well be different for other people. I want to reach the highest levels of awakening of course but I would be so fucking happy with some small awakenings to start with. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Jannes said:

I want to reach the highest levels of awakening of course but I would be so fucking happy with some small awakenings to start with.

1) I value and encourage any degree of awakening. Something is better than nothing. Every mystical experience is better than no mystical experience. Yes, I say these things are difficult and requires lots of work, but that doesn't diminish the importance of baby awakenings and baby mystical experiences.

2) This is why I recommend psychedelics, which make mystical experiences accessible to nearly anyone.

Edited September 13, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Razard86]

11 hours ago, Jannes said:

 but if you constantly tell them how radical that is and how much their mind will have to suffer to access it they maybe won’t be motivated to start at all. How can they if they never got a taste on what they could get from it. 

1. Even the small awakening can frighten you, especially if you use a psychedelic. For example you know how he says God is ultimate truth? How would you feel if you saw Absolute Truth....and felt fake in comparison? How would you feel if a glimpse of Absolute Truth made you look like Bugs Bunny seeing a human for the first time?

2. How would you feel if it felt like you were dissolving...melting...or about to explode? These are the situations you will be in when you have awakenings...so yeah he needs to warn you...its the scariest thing, and most beautiful thing you will ever see. When you start reaching the levels Leo is talking about...you will feel like your mind is going insane. Its not and it is at the same time. The truth is you got so use to finitude you forgot how infinity felt, so its like someone dropping you on a rollercoaster out of nowhere with no warning. 

So don't assume yours will be gently, keep dosage low, but be prepared to accept whatever comes....even it turns out to be Hell.

Edited September 13, 2022 by Razard86