Alpha male?

[Antor8188]

@Leo Gura what makes someone an alpha male? Females like alpha males a lot. Do you have to get into fights with other men to prove yourself as an alpha male or what?

[Jannes]

 

 

[Razard86]

Alpha male is a made up term in the red pill community to label men who considered more masculine by the women and thus a more optimal mating choice. If you are just horny you can look into how they define it and go for it. Most "alpha male" behavior is animalistic and extremely selfish. What isn't told to you however is how much "Alpha Males" in the red pill's traditional grand use of the word suffer. They suffer immensely. I've known some "alpha males" they hide their suffering from others but if you are their close friend they will tell you all about it. 

They suffer with a desire to connect on a deep level but being unable to get that.

They don't believe true love exists, yet they secretly wish they could get it.

They don't trust anyone, including themselves.

They believe everyone is putting on an act when they meet nice people, and believe they are justified in using others because others use them.

They believe they must control every situation because they know better and everyone around them are fools and idiots.

Does this sound like someone who is happy to you? LOL. Its one of the biggest traps. But go pursue it and enjoy the pros and cons if you want.

[NoSelfSelf]

Alfa man is someone going after what they want relentlessly and not giving a f ,just pushing until he's getting that thing...

Being alfa for girls is fail and proving yourself to others is fail...

[NoSelfSelf]

@Razard86 you are describing fake alfas, real alfas love themselves and appreciate life...

[Razard86]

7 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Razard86 you are describing fake alfas, real alfas love themselves and appreciate life...

There is no fake or true alpha. It is just a term nothing more, nothing less. There isn't any distinction between either because the alpha and the beta, and the sigma, and whatever other term you want to create need each other. So if they are all intertwined and mixed together and need each other to co-exist...where is the distinction.

Claiming distinction is just a game, a game of pretend which is fun for its own purpose. An alpha isn't even an alpha in every situation, as the situation changes, his status changes. This is true for ALL identities. So how can it be one of the other if it is constantly changing? So yeah you can play that distinction game if you want...but all it is...is a game.

[NoSelfSelf]

@Razard86 Alright but then delete this forum because if we wont make distinction then there is no somebody whos improving and somebody whos stagnating there is no someone winning or someone losing...

We can just keep meditation section ?

Its not a game when alfa comes and takes what you wanted or got that job you wanted right?

Or you typing this from a cave ? im not being funny

[Raze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpozXn8ln-Y

[Breakingthewall]

what is called alpha male is usually a low intelligent guy, lacking empathy, of minimal sensitivity, who at ages between 14/21 is usually very successful since the most intelligent, most empathetic, most sensitive person, needing more time to develop and feels insecure, fearful. the alpha is not fearful since he does not see the nuances, he does not ruminate, he is practical. He's basically a very shallow person. under certain circumstances, he will prosper. especially if not having scruples is required

In older ages nowadays he lags behind and becomes a pathetic caricature

Edited September 5, 2022 by Breakingthewall

[Leo Gura]

Basically just means you're not meek.

[thepixelmonk]

Alpha Male: the early version of a male, before testing and bug fixes. Unstable and not suitable for the public.

[Holygrail]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Basically just means you're not meek.

do you need the possibility of getting into a physical fight in order to not be meek?

[Razard86]

15 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Razard86 Alright but then delete this forum because if we wont make distinction then there is no somebody whos improving and somebody whos stagnating there is no someone winning or someone losing...

We can just keep meditation section ?

Its not a game when alfa comes and takes what you wanted or got that job you wanted right?

Or you typing this from a cave ? im not being funny

1. If you really want something...you will get it. The only way you won't get it...if its not for you. So if I designed a character to be good at specific things but give him the freedom to choose a direction if he goes after something he isn't designed for....he won't get it. But if he works within the boundaries of what he is designed for he will always get it if he is diligent enough.

2. What distinction? Is my kidney distinct from my stomach? Or is it one simultaneously happening and I am pointing things out? I can make a distinction right now of you one second ago, or two seconds ago, or two days ago. I can make distinctions forever. Does it make it true? Its true in one sense and wrong in another. Do you look at the whole picture...do you study the parts. The parts YOU CREATED, because it was just really a big happening and you created PARTS to figure out what is going on.

3. It is a game...the whole thing is a game. You think there is a difference between me imagining a job right now and doing it in my mind...and me actually getting one? Things only feel real because of physical pain and emotional pain. If I took that away from you RIGHT NOW... everything would be fake. You only know a movie is fakes because there is no physical pain and emotional pain.

4. Why is rejection hard? Emotional pain. Why is training physically hard? Physical pain. Without pain everything is fake. It just becomes DEAD imagery moving around in your perspective view. You think I'm joking, I'm dead serious, DEAD SERIOUS. Its very funny. You think you are being clever, I think its all funny. 

5. When you truly realize, not as a mental exercise, but truly realize that there is no difference between your imaginary world, and what you think as real, then nothing can actually faze you. Pain will still hurt, but you know what it is. When a fire alarm goes off, you know its just an alarm to get you moving, when you feel pain you know its just a feature to make things appear real. The jig is up at that point and you laugh at how you could ever trick yourself into believing in things such as separation!!!

[Razard86]

But I'll stay on topic for this. 

What is supposedly an alpha.

1. An alpha would be someone who in a given environment is the top dawg. So in terms of dating an Alpha would be a guy who has traits that are considered dominant. He is tall, he is physically strong, He is intelligent, he is clever/witty, he is confident, he is resilient. You get the picture. Now what most on the forums don't get...is an alpha can ONLY be an alpha if he is rare. The same way something can only be considered beautiful if it is rare otherwise...its normal. Now I could argue the other side...but we will keep it on this level of analysis let's not go any deeper than we have too.

2. So....without the beta and the sigma the alpha cannot exist. In fact the perks the Alpha enjoys is due to the beta. Alphas do not have to spend money on women, nor spend time talking to them, they can date tons of women and just have sex and leave. Why? Because betas spend money on women and talk to them and make sure their emotional needs are met. Without the betas, the Alphas couldn't do what he does. So they are interconnected. If they are interconnected...why is there such a fuss. If everyone become alphas...there wouldn't be alphas...they would DIE. Alphas would then become betas. They would have to do everything betas do. Betas are the foundation of the dating game, they literally hold up Alphas. This is the same thing how society works with the rich and the poor. Its the exact same thing. Its why I laugh....because its so silly. 

3. Sigmas are a little different. They have qualities of both. Sigmas have the sensitivity of the Beta, but the confidence of the Alpha. They are the inbetween category. Some of them date, most of them don't. Some marry, some don't. Sigmas are usually betas who became Alphas and saw how silly the whole thing is, or they are Alphas who hung around a beta, who infected him with his sensitivity and he thus became a Sigma. LOL I said infected like its a bad thing....

4. Majority of relationships are going to be between co-dependent people who haven't worked through their issues and want to get together so they can blame each other about their problems. Since they don't want to address their own internal discord they want a distraction from these issues by entering relationships. Majority of people enter relationships with the mindset, what can I get from this versus what can I offer. They then try to play the game of giving as little as possible, while demanding as much as possible. Its a silly game that creates drama, and entertainment like a teen drama that comes out during the fall every year. 

5. Eventually, hopefully the person realizes their relationships follow a trend, they keep attracting the same type of person, they keep engaging in the same type of behaviors that make the relationship unsustainable. So as a result they realize they need to work through some issues, take themselves off the market. Work through said issues. Only look for partners who offer what they offer. They find that person, settle down into a long-term relationship and that's it. 

[Karmadhi]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Basically just means you're not meek

Why are men today so meek and weak and soft compared to the in the past? I also see it especially in rich developed countries.

I have read that society enforces this to make it easier to control them and it rewards meekness and not standing up for yourself by shaming masculinity in the media. Owen Cook and many PUAs have said this.

What are your thoughts?

Edited September 6, 2022 by Karmadhi

[Razard86]

Also Alphas are not Alphas in every environment, nobody is. You can have an Alpha on a College Campus, who is a beta when it comes to school tests. You can have an Alpha who is great with women, but cannot forge real friendships with other men. You can have an Alpha who is great at making money, forging friendships, but sucks at deep emotional intimacy and so has estranged relationships with his wife, kids, and other family members. 

There are a lot of people who are great at starting relationships, but terrible at the maintenance. You aren't going to be great at everything. Most Alphas SUCK at losing. They are sore losers. Everything else came easy, so when things get hard they are fragile. Its the funniest thing when you witness it. Most Alphas have no depth, and need a Beta friend to bring out that depth within them. 

[Razard86]

8 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Why are men today so meek and weak and soft compared to the in the past? I also see it especially in rich developed countries.

I have read that society enforces this to make it easier to control them and it rewards meekness and not standing up for yourself by shaming masculinity in the media. Owen Cook and many PUAs have said this.

What are your thoughts?

This is true....but its currently changing. So its a non-issue.

But its more nuanced and complicated also. As technology increases the need for physical dominance to get things done decreases. Now life becomes centered around interpersonal relationships. This makes physical dominance, and intelligent less important and emotional intelligence more important.

So the more you make a society technology reliant, the less masculine oriented the society becomes. Sure its held up by masculinity, technology, construction, etc, but personal relationships takes front and center and that is why women excel better than men.

This is a much more deep, complicated issue that you could write books on how we got here. The short end is go watch Leo's video on Unity and Division. 

This will give you the big picture understanding.

If you attempt to take sides, you won't see the big picture of what is happening. What is happening...is actually the GREATEST GOOD.

Eventually both Masculinity and Femininity will be honored, cherished, and integrated. Its just going to be VERY MESSY in the mean time.

Edited September 6, 2022 by Razard86

[Proserpina]

Leo is a good example of an alpha male.  He'll slap you into shape.  Leadership capacity. 

[NoSelfSelf]

@Razard86 Thanks for indepth answer...only thing thats missing is apex male whos above alfa ?

[Razard86]

2 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Razard86 Thanks for indepth answer...only thing thats missing is apex male whos above alfa ?

Lol I did think of the APEX Predator. But the APEX Predator...needs its food supply lol.  https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/species/killer-whale

The Killer Whale needs enough prey. So the APEX male....hmmm could we say Arnold Schwarzneggar is one?

He killed it in body building/modeling. He was a movie star. Then was able to elected to Office. From an accomplishment stand point couldn't we call him an Apex Male? The guy killed it on all levels. Also..he is emotionally intelligent. Did you see his video on the war with Ukraine?