I recently had a discussion with someone about how funny life is

[Razard86]

In most modern societies around the world many of the young take for granted why everything is here and how everything functions and is interconnected. Value is so counter-intuitive because it is based on scarcity. The most valuable thing in existence for humans is oxygen, but since it is so abundant we take it for granted. The next most valuable thing for humans would be water, then food, then clothing, then shelter/transportation, and weapons. After that everything else is just icing on the cake. Now as civilizations get more and more advanced each generation is further away from the truth of how civilizations actually function.

Most of the youth will fall asleep in history class and most history classes do not do an adequate job of making a connection to the youth about how everything works. So then what you have over time is people thinking the most important people in a society are the entertainers especially because their favorite entertainers provide them with good feelings. Now there is nothing wrong with liking entertainers, but entertainers can only exist if the society has its foundational needs met. Think of a society as a big organism, it needs certain needs met so it can function. 

Your human body has skin, which is its fence to keep out invaders. A civilization needs some type of barrier to protect itself from invaders. Your body needs calories to power it. Your civilization needs a power source to keep its civilization moving. That would be electricity, gasoline, food, and trade. Your body needs to learn and grow in intelligence so it can take better care of itself. A civilization needs scientists, philosophers, and teachers to help grow the intelligence of the civilization. I could do this forever but you get the point. 

So with all this in mind, sometimes people forget that the rich are only rich because of their people. In America we started this nonsense called "Self-Made" Millionaire which is the funniest and most ignorant thing I have ever heard. Its so glaringly ignorant you think they were joking but they really believe this non-sense. I even know intelligent people who believe it, which is saddening but it is what it is. So I'll use a joke to show you the hilarious idiocy to believe in something like this.

Picture society as a house. The things I brought up earlier are its foundation. The workers who provide the foundational needs are able to help collectively create an environment in which entertainers, and scholars can live. So picture these individuals as the roof of the house.

 

One day there was a house. The Roof looked at the ground and laughed and scoffed at it. "Ground you are so down, you are beneath me and I am superior. The ground smirked and laughed the loudest laugh. The Roof taken aback looked at the ground and asked what's so funny? The Ground replied "Fucker who do you think is holding you up?"

So this is how life works. The ones at the top are actually at the bottom, and the ones at the bottom are actually the ones at the top. They are just asleep and do not realize their power. Its like the ground forgot its holding everything up and desires to be the roof. There are no shitty jobs, there are no crappy jobs. If someone is paying you that job needs to be done. People don't just hand out money, they pay because there is a need. But social media would have you believe that some jobs are BAD, or crappy. Well if nobody does them.....then everything will fall. 

I'll leave you with this. I use to play a game called Age of Empire when I was small and that game really stayed with me because it showed it to me so clearly. You were tasked with creating an empire from scratch. You would start with one village and expand outward. The cool thing is you saw in real time the most important people in every society were the farmers, and the builders. So whenever you attacked another village to conquer them, you always attacked their farmers and builders first. Once the food supply was limited, then you attacked their town center taking care to kill any builders who tried to repair it. The soldiers were distractions, the king was a distraction, just kill the workers and destroy the town center and you win.

The workers always hold a society up, you get rid of the ones that provide water, food, shelter, and clothing and you win. LOL.

The game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPM0Kn_IS-U&ab_channel=SergiuHellDragoonHQ

Edited September 4, 2022 by Razard86

[Nilsi]

Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains!!!111

[Razard86]

31 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains!!!111

Lol I think we just need to renegotiate the terms between the rich, the middle class, and the poor. 

FBI Negotiator Chris Voss "The most dangerous negotiation is the one you don't know you are in." I'm sure you heard of social contract? Our current society is a negotiation, its just most don't know their in it and accept a raw deal and then complain that nothing can be done. Its very funny. 

[Nilsi]

8 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Lol I think we just need to renegotiate the terms between the rich, the middle class, and the poor. 

FBI Negotiator Chris Voss "The most dangerous negotiation is the one you don't know you are in." I'm sure you heard of social contract? Our current society is a negotiation, its just most don't know their in it and accept a raw deal and then complain that nothing can be done. Its very funny. 

I agree, Im just fucking with you lol. You sounded a bit overly Marxist

Edited September 4, 2022 by Nilsi

[Razard86]

18 hours ago, Nilsi said:

I agree, Im just fucking with you lol. You sounded a bit overly Marxist

Lol well that's cause I have a bit of that in me. All wealth is collectively generated, yet somehow we have people thinking THEY made themselves rich. Its very weird. I couldn't speak english if I wasn't born in an english speaking country and taught English. Also my parents were VERY involved in my education when I was a child its why I am so educated. Without them...I have no idea how far along I would be in my Education. But if I follow the nonsense we say in America...I'll be like I am a self-made educated man. IT WAS ME!!! LOL.

Also I don't believe ideology is the key, I believe waking people up is the key. If you create a capitalist, socialist, or communist society, it will function differently than how it is designed if the people are selfish. So its not the ideology that matters, its the mindset of the population. Fix the mindset first of the people then you can figure out what structure you need.

Edited September 5, 2022 by Razard86

[Nilsi]

3 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Fix the mindset first of the people then you can figure out what structure you need.

I sympathize with Marxism, but it's of course a very partial perspective. I suspect you would agree, that both have to be done simultaneously. You need the right structure for healthy mindsets to emerge and you need the right mindsets to build healthy structures. It's a virtuous cycle (that's kinda the whole Ken Wilber spiel). I also don't believe there is such a thing as "fixing" ones mindset, since a healthy mindset is fundamentally something that is not "fix," but in flux (I'm not completely sure of that though).

Edited September 5, 2022 by Nilsi

[Razard86]

On 9/5/2022 at 7:05 AM, Nilsi said:

I sympathize with Marxism, but it's of course a very partial perspective. I suspect you would agree, that both have to be done simultaneously. You need the right structure for healthy mindsets to emerge and you need the right mindsets to build healthy structures. It's a virtuous cycle (that's kinda the whole Ken Wilber spiel). I also don't believe there is such a thing as "fixing" ones mindset, since a healthy mindset is fundamentally something that is not "fix," but in flux (I'm not completely sure of that though).

When I say fix I mean awaken to the fact that we are one. I mean I figured this out even before Spirituality, I just didn't know we were God. But Science proves we are ONE and humans run around and pretend its not true.

Sciences say life started from the Big Bang right? They even say the same elements that make up a star make up all life on Earth and Earth itself. So if this is true all life originated from a single source. Which means all life is FAMILY, is ONE. Its so simple. Yet they create this distinctions and pretend otherwise. It literally doesn't even make any sense once you realize that. 

Its like me creating a video game of a whole bunch of characters and then I program them to pretend that they are different. They aren't they came from the same source. So they are ONE. That's what I mean by mindset.

 

[Gidiot]

Amen brother, we don’t need socialism or communism but we don’t need capitalism either, we aren’t just individuals in a society and we aren’t  just a society with no individuals it’s a balance. 
 

but it’s telling Sadhguru said it’s not like the people stuffed into these big cities are doing it out of love they are there because of greed and because of survival. To me that is the fundamental flaw, there is no sense of community we are far too afraid of one another and there is just a lack of compassion and empathy, understanding, waking people up is key for sure. I don’t think spirituality will be popular world wide until automation takes over though and people actually have time to think. Being a wage slave takes up so much time and energy.

Edited September 20, 2022 by Gidiot

[Ulax]

 @Razard86 This vid came to mind when reading your post

https://youtu.be/kYfNvmF0Bqw

[Nilsi]

40 minutes ago, Gidiot said:

but it’s telling Sadhguru said it’s not like the people stuffed into these big cities are doing it out of love they are there because of greed and because of survival. 

A big city is basically a strange attractor/local optimum, that's why they emerged. The value of a network (a city) increases exponentially to the number of it's nodes (citizens). This was an inevitable evolutionary development and only now, with the emergence of the internet, can we leverage those network dynamics without having to live in close proximity to each other.