Poor working memory

[thisintegrated]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Because smart people can act unwise, and so-called dumb people can act wise. Wisdom displays itself in every situation, in every aspect of your life, and the complexity of that cannot be captured by linear lines of logical reasoning.

"Good at math" doesn't mean intellectual.  "Good employee" doesn't mean intellectual.

[AtheisticNonduality]

3 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

"Good at math" doesn't mean intellectual.

My mathematical treatise has gotten a pretty weak response.

 

3 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

"Good employee" doesn't mean intellectual.

"The worker bees."

[thisintegrated]

5 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

My mathematical treatise has gotten a pretty weak response.

And you're sure you're not an INTP?

 

5 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

"The worker bees."

Yes, the IxTJs.

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

"Good at math" doesn't mean intellectual.  "Good employee" doesn't mean intellectual.

Math skews towards the "drier" aspects of the intellect: logical capacity & conceptual knowledge > creativity & intuition, while e.g. psychology skews towards the more moist side. Basically left-brain vs. right-brain.

As for "good employee", IQ (decent measurement for intellect) is the best predictor for occupational success alongside conscientiousness, so again you're off.

[thisintegrated]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

As for "good employee", IQ (decent measurement for intellect)

lolwut

No it is not.  The intellect is something much broader.

Edited September 3, 2022 by thisintegrated

[Max_V]

@Carl-Richard

This whole thread is now going into the direction of what is this what is that lol

I just wanna know if anyone has data on working memory and potential things to increase its performance. At my latest IQ test I got 130 for verbal IQ and ~105 for performance IQ. The main consensus was that the huge discrepancy is caused by my slightly below average working memory. If I can fix this, my life will become 100 times easier

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, thisintegrated said:

lolwut

No it is not.  The intellect something is much broader.

I don't care lol

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, Max_V said:

This whole thread is now going into the direction of what is this what is that lol

I'm just trying to balance out this complete psychosis of language that is going on  But yes, we should stay on topic.

 

5 minutes ago, Max_V said:

I just wanna know if anyone has data on working memory and potential things to increase its performance. At my latest IQ test I got 130 for verbal IQ and ~105 for performance IQ. The main consensus was that the huge discrepancy is caused by my slightly below average working memory. If I can fix this, my life will become 100 times easier

Working memory and IQ is just one of those things that you're born with. The things you can work on other than meditation that maximizes your cognitive potential is just to optimize all forms of health: physical exercise, diet, sleep etc.

Edited September 3, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[Max_V]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

I'm just trying to balance out this complete psychosis of language that is going on  But yes, we should stay on topic.

I feel ya

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

Working memory and IQ is just one of those things that you're born with. The things you can work on other than meditation that increases general mental clarity is just to optimize all forms of health: physical exercise, diet, sleep etc.

Already doing my best maximize these. I do think though, that there is some link I should explore with that whole dopamine deficiency idea. It's just a hunch, but I feel like it could be a good direction to look. Do you have any ideas about that?

[Carl-Richard]

3 minutes ago, Max_V said:

I feel ya

Already doing my best maximize these. I do think though, that there is some link I should explore with that whole dopamine deficiency idea. It's just a hunch, but I feel like it could be a good direction to look. Do you have any ideas about that?

Oh for sure. While the benefits of nofap are generally exaggerated, there is a baby in the bathwater there. Limiting fapping/porn to around 2-3 times a week makes a huge difference for me (compared to fapping at least every night).

Edited September 3, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[Max_V]

@Carl-Richard mhh, I should give nofap a look. I've done it in the past, but perhaps limiting it a little more than I do now could be of some benefit

But, I'm more so talking about medication. I might look into ADD medication, as I really relate to that video I posted on the first page. I was diagnosed with ADD as a kid, but never took it seriously. Curious how those tests would look on the right medication, but then also what would I trade for it? decreased creativity, etc?

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Max_V said:

But, I'm more so talking about medication. I might look into ADD medication, as I really relate to that video I posted on the first page. I was diagnosed with ADD as a kid, but never took it seriously. Curious how those tests would look on the right medication, but then also what would I trade for it? decreased creativity, etc?

Back when I used to fap often, I was pretty ADD. Ejaculation causes a surge of prolactin (quite literally anti-dopamine) which lasts for days. But you might want to try it out if you're out of options and it's really limiting you.

[AtheisticNonduality]

2 hours ago, thisintegrated said:

And you're sure you're not an INTP?

I feel like I have multiple personalities tbh.

@Max_V I don't know how you don't remember this, but you get better at skills by doing them. You should be focusing on memorizing more things, literally doing memory exercises and reading more books to retain it all, and however strenuous or dopamine-deprived it (focusing) may be, you'll "stretch out" the memory configuration structures you have access to. Maybe this should've been the first thing I said. If you've done it for enough time and see zero results entirely, then you should consult communities of people with the same attention difficulties and do further research there.

[thisintegrated]

2 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

I feel like I have multiple personalities tbh.

??

 

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Back when I used to fap often, I was pretty ADD.

Does everyone on the forum have ADD?

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, thisintegrated said:

Does everyone on the forum have ADD?

When I think about it, me being "pretty ADD" in my teen years was more a combination of brain fog from fapping so much and probably wrong diet, anxiety and lack of meaning (and the stress and drain of energy from all of that) than an actual ADD condition. My struggles were spiritual, emotional and physiological rather than cognitive/neurological.

Edited September 3, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[Danioover9000]

@Max_V

20 hours ago, Max_V said:

Of all the IQ tests and similar types of diagnostical tools I've used, what most often comes back for me as a bottleneck to other intellectual function, is my working memory. Due to this, my verbal IQ and performace IQ are quite far apart. Most psychologists I've spoken to have told me that the current data mostly holds that working memory is pretty static and there isn't much that suggests a possibility of improving it. 

Since this forum contains a lot of people that work in different sectors and expiriments a ton, I was wondering if any of you have suggestions as to what I could look at.

Thanks

   I have dealt with this in the past,  what worked for me were the following:

Doung meditation.

Doing isometric exercises. Isometrics develops mind and muscle connections, via through intense muscle contraction that engages in grwater synapses activity, 

Reading a lot, fiction and nonfiction.

Playing word games, like jumble or scramble.

Playing board games, or any game that makes you think more.

8 hours of sleep and long naps if possible.

Omega3 fish oil, or crill oil. Also eat foods with good protein and fat source, and plenty of colourful vegetables and fruits.

A variety of visualization exercises, taken from others and what I design for myself, from playing blindfold chess, to mentally listening to music.

Rhyme games, and free style rapping. Also related is word association.

Aim for a pleasent headache, and that's where you stop. Pleasent headache means your brain is improving a neural pathway to a associated word. Also patience and focusing in on incremental improvements, like in deliberate practice, and also big and compelling vision for being a wordsmith.

[Epikur]

Did anybody try memory palace? I tried but it was too hard for me. 

[Raze]

Read moonwalking with Einstein 

[Leo Gura]

On 9/3/2022 at 0:57 AM, Max_V said:

Since this forum contains a lot of people that work in different sectors and expiriments a ton, I was wondering if any of you have suggestions as to what I could look at.

Have you ever had good memory, like as a child in school? Or was it always bad?

Definitely look into heavy metal detox. It's not the only factor, but one of the tell-tale signs of heavy metal toxicity is poor memory. Mercury and lead especially cause memory problems and just overall bad cognitive performance.

There are also supplements that improve memory. See my Best Supplements video for examples.

On 9/3/2022 at 10:35 AM, Nilsi said:

Schmachtenberger made the distinction once of intellect being computable and wisdom being non-algorithmic. I found it quite helpful.

This is incorrect. Intelligence is infinite therefore it is not computable. Humans mis-define what intelligence is. Intelligence is not IQ nor pure calculation speed, nor book-smarts. Intelligence is a fundamental feature of reality and consciousness.

Wisdom comes from intelligence. Intelligence which isn't wise isn't very intelligent.

Most people that society deems as intelligent are actually not very intelligent, they just seem intelligent from an even less intelligent person's POV. Real intelligence has an existential and spiritual dimension, otherwise it's just not very intelligent.

You can't really be an intelligent materialist. Materialism is stupidity.

Edited September 5, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is incorrect. Intelligence is infinite therefore it is not computable. Humans mis-define what intelligence is. Intelligence is not IQ nor pure calculation speed, nor book-smarts. Intelligence is a fundamental feature of reality and consciousness.

Wisdom comes from intelligence. Intelligence which isn't wise isn't very intelligent.

Most people that society deems as intelligent are actually not very intelligent, they just seem intelligent from an even less intelligent person's POV. Real intelligence has an existential and spiritual dimension, otherwise it's just not very intelligent.

You can't really be an intelligent materialist. Materialism is stupidity.

Intellect is not intelligence.