Why double standards can not be solved individually

[Tyler Robinson]

@Nilsi by the way much of the fish is wasted and discarded. So much for demand lol. 

They could give all the discarded fish to me, I have a huge storage area in my fridge. 

 

[Nilsi]

1 minute ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Because they don't follow rules around legality. Certain places aren't allowed to be fished. They can fulfill the demand even by following rules. It's the same thing that goes with animal poaching. The demand is just an excuse. 

Im not so much concerned about rules here. There really are no rules as to how much fish there have to be in the oceans, or how much trees there have to be in the amazon rainforest. Furthermore, if there were rules, people would just break em, so thats no solution either.

[Kksd74628]

@Nilsi

It would be having double standards only if you hate people who do the same as you do. You only hate people as a whole so it's not the same thing and therefore it's not having double standards. 

3 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

lol Why do you think there is reckless (illegal) fishing? Fishers are not manufacturing demand for fish. People demand a lot of fish, which the fishers supply to them. There is no one to blame here.

Again wrong point. The fact that I offer you lot of money to give me lots of jewelry doesn't make it right you to steal it from someone else. The problem is the illegal fishing not the people who ask lot of fish by their actions.

2 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Because youre a hypocrite

She's not.

[Tyler Robinson]

1 minute ago, Nilsi said:

Because youre a hypocrite

Why is eating ethical meat wrong? 

I don't see any problem with demanding that what I eat should come from a good place. 

If I use a faulty transportation system that can put my life at risk, does that make me a hypocrite. Absolutely not. It only means that I don't have any option other than the the transportation service afforded to me. 

At the same time I can protest the transport authorities to make safer transit systems for people. 

You are not looking at this with an Empathetic meta perspective 

 

 

[Tyler Robinson]

4 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Im not so much concerned about rules here. There really are no rules as to how much fish there have to be in the oceans, or how much trees there have to be in the amazon rainforest. Furthermore, if there were rules, people would just break em, so thats no solution either.

the whole point of rules is that people shouldn't break them 

You need a proper stage Blue for rules. 

What you say or suggest screams Red 

[Nilsi]

1 minute ago, Kksd74628 said:

@Nilsi

Again wrong point. The fact that I offer you lot of money to give me lots of jewelry doesn't make it right you to steal it from someone else. The problem is the illegal fishing not the people who ask lot of fish by their actions.

My point is not illegal fishing why do you bring this up? There is nothing "illegal" going on here. These are systemic issues, that automatically arise under certain conditions. This is not about pointing fingers - there is no one to blame here. The consumer and the "illegal" fisher are co-dependently arising; there can be no consumer without a fisher, and no fisher without a consumer. 

[Tyler Robinson]

@Nilsi overfishing is a part of illegal fishing. Ok enough debating. 

 

[Nilsi]

3 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Why is eating ethical meat wrong? 

 

 

 

Its not, in this case. I misunderstood you.

2 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

 

What you say or suggest screams Red 

You got to be joking.

[Kksd74628]

@Nilsi

4 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

There is nothing "illegal" going on here.

More wrong claims. Watch the video in case you didn't know about it.

The reason I am being pushy with showing your errors is because otherwise you think that you have double standards when in actuality you don't. What affects overfishing the most is not the individual who regularly enjoys fish, but instead it is systems who make it that way. I am just trying to show that you can eat your fish without any bad thoughts that you're hypocrite. You'd be hypocrite if you'd buy the fish from illegal fishers instead of the alternative source, because it's cheaper for you. Even in this scenario it could be okay, if you are too poor for real not to afford the legal fish product. Usually that'd be just excuse though.

 

[Razard86]

6 hours ago, Nilsi said:

Im working on both I dont mean to over-complicate things, its just that there is precise language to communicate my point, so I might as well use it. I dont think my point requires any prior knowledge of these concepts to be understood.

You'd be surprised how easily others can't understand your knowledge. You underestimate how intelligent you are. When you get a chance go on social media and look at the level of engagement of the average person. Most people on the planet don't even understand what a system is. They maybe aware of the word sure, but they don't really understand what it is. 

This message is both a compliment and a humble attempt to tell you your brilliance will often go over many heads. I've noticed many of you high intellectuals sometimes forget that others don't operate in your sphere of intelligence. So basically your smarts are a gift and a curse. 

So at one point I'm in awe of the intelligence of those on this forum but I shake my head sometimes because I know sometimes....you will lose your audience. Just something to think about. Its something I had learn through my friends, my friends have grounded me over the years to their credit and I'm still learning to be grounded ever more. 

Just a thought.

Edited August 31, 2022 by Razard86

[Nilsi]

11 minutes ago, Kksd74628 said:

@Nilsi

More wrong claims. Watch the video in case you didn't know about it.

The reason I am being pushy with showing your errors is because otherwise you think that you have double standards when in actuality you don't. What affects overfishing the most is not the individual who regularly enjoys fish, but instead it is systems who make it that way. I am just trying to show that you can eat your fish without any bad thoughts that you're hypocrite. You'd be hypocrite if you'd buy the fish from illegal fishers instead of the alternative source, because it's cheaper for you. Even in this scenario it could be okay, if you are too poor for real not to afford the legal fish product. Usually that'd be just excuse though.

 

This is not what Im talking about though. If there was no demand, nobody would have to "illegally" fish. Using this fish example was a big mistake  

Edited August 31, 2022 by Nilsi

[Kksd74628]

@Nilsi

I am just answering exactly to what you have writed so explain me what you meant instead so I can think if it makes more sense.

[Nilsi]

5 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

You'd be surprised how easily others can't understand your knowledge. You underestimate how intelligent you are. When you get a chance go on social media and look at the level of engagement of the average person. Most people on the planet don't even understand what a system is. They maybe aware of the word sure, but they don't really understand what it is. 

Im aware, I just didnt think my point was that hard to grasp.

[Nilsi]

3 minutes ago, Kksd74628 said:

@Nilsi

I am just answering exactly to what you have writed so explain me what you meant instead so I can think if it makes more sense.

Go back to my original post and replace the fishing example with any other double standard - ITS NOT ABOUT THE FISH!

[Kksd74628]

@Nilsi

I understand that it wasn't about fish in the original post, but your problem in that analogy is that you think that it is having double standards if you don't like what the stucture is doing even if your actions play the role towards it. You've misunderstood what term double standards even mean. It would only be double standards if you accuse someone from the same behaviors that you wouldn't to yourself. In this scenario you're not accusing any people, but all the people as a whole and therefore it's not the same thing and therefore you are not hypocrite. Can you see the point I am making and if not show me why.

[Nilsi]

10 minutes ago, Kksd74628 said:

@Nilsi

I understand that it wasn't about fish in the original post, but your problem in that analogy is that you think that it is having double standards if you don't like what the stucture is doing even if your actions play the role towards it. You've misunderstood what term double standards even mean. It would only be double standards if you accuse someone from the same behaviors that you wouldn't to yourself. In this scenario you're not accusing any people, but all the people as a whole and therefore it's not the same thing and therefore you are not hypocrite. Can you see the point I am making and if not show me why.

We have a different definition of double standards then. I do something to get an advantage (eat the fish), yet if everybody did it, it would put me at a disadvantage (no more fish). The only reason I can eat fish in the first place, is, because not everybody eats as much fish as me. I will admit that the fish example was not the best, but you can substitute it for example with cheating in an IQ test, using instagram beauty filters, multi level marketing etc. I guess you could say these are more a subset of double standards, but you could actually apply all double standards to this, if you use the right level of abstraction (but really its about those double standards that lead to a competitive advantage).

Edited August 31, 2022 by Nilsi