The real root-cause of men's lack of confidence with women

[mr_engineer]

Here it is - there is a lot of toxic masculine conditioning that happens to boys at home from their daddies, in the locker-room, through the culture, through porn, etc. This is something that is genuinely shameful for men and we can't show this to women. So, we have to 'play' them. 

Working this stuff out has been what I have found to be the ultimate long-term solution to lack of confidence. 

[NoSelfSelf]

What is shameful in that?

You worship women thats why you cant show it because what will she think? what i need to do to make her like me type of bs that makes you walk on eggshells...

[Razard86]

52 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

What is shameful in that?

You worship women thats why you cant show it because what will she think? what i need to do to make her like me type of bs that makes you walk on eggshells...

Its fine, he is on a journey. He only believes what he typed because he is still conditioned which is ironic because he thinks he has awoken from his conditioning. But yes, he needs to be comfortable being himself and being alone before he can be comfortable around women.

[mr_engineer]

1 hour ago, NoSelfSelf said:

What is shameful in that?

What's shameful about it, is objectification and narcissism. You can't 'just be yourself' and outright show that to women, cuz they won't sign up for that. 

1 hour ago, NoSelfSelf said:

You worship women thats why you cant show it because what will she think? what i need to do to make her like me type of bs that makes you walk on eggshells...

Yes. And, you don't know what you need to do to make her like you, cuz you have never had positive role-models. Only negative role-models, that women are very quick to shit on. 

Someone who's confident doesn't 'stop worrying about what to do to make her happy' because 'it doesn't matter, just be yourself'. They stop worrying about it, because they know what to do to make her happy! 

[NoSelfSelf]

@Razard86 yeah we are all in this together but sometimes someone shakes you out of your bubble...

@mr_engineer women this women that thats the problem again you are making it about the women and it has nothing to do with women(you are not even in the game thinking its about women but this is hard to explain in one thread)...

You know how you make yourself happy and create mind world for yourself that she follows you are not trying to make her happy ? i told you that and you continue to complain because mind is fing you over...

Edit:bad boys doesnt give a fuck about women how come they love them so much think about that?

[mr_engineer]

7 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

Edit:bad boys doesnt give a fuck about women how come they love them so much think about that?

They do care about women. 

They just come across like they don't give a fuck, because they don't have a problem being loud, obnoxious and brash, 'being themselves'. In fact, they're so out of touch with their feelings that 'I don't care about women' is a massive cope for a lot of them. 

[NoSelfSelf]

@mr_engineer ok you are right its pointless to talk about this you have your own racionalozations and keep having them women will treat you like food so you will start blame them and you will take another red pill ?

[mr_engineer]

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

Its fine, he is on a journey. He only believes what he typed because he is still conditioned which is ironic because he thinks he has awoken from his conditioning. But yes, he needs to be comfortable being himself and being alone before he can be comfortable around women.

What is the conditioning that you're talking about? 

This is an original insight. It's not conditioning, I can assure you that!! 

Edited August 25, 2022 by mr_engineer