Andrew Tate - Good or corrupted message for society??

[Epikur]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You act as though there can only be one masculine role model in the world.

 

Edited August 27, 2022 by Epikur

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, KH2 said:

You can take advice from less qualified people, of course. That's your choice.

You've chosen a devil as your role-model. Good luck with that.

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, Epikur said:

 

An awful critique.

What you have to understand is that hardcore pickup guys who are stuck in stage Red/Orange and live life for nothing but sex and money, cannot fathom the depth of the spiritual and philosophical stuff Owen teaches. Nor can John Anthony. Owen's most advanced stuff is lost on them. They dismiss it all as just woo-woo nonsense, because these are not spiritual or deep people, they are scummy, shallow, douchey players. They are in fact the worst aspect of the pickup community.

Owen doesn't just teach pickup. He teaches something way deeper, if you have the depth to hear it. But if all you want is to act alpha and get laid to the max, yeah, Owen is not for you.

RSD didn't downfall, it naturally matured and evolved. It also became more socially responsible to avoid getting cancelled.

I know plenty of guys who dismiss Owen's deepest teachings simply because all they want is sex, sex, sex. And I have no interest in such people or such teachers. Making your life about chasing sex is pathetically shallow.

[Consept]

11 minutes ago, KH2 said:

Almost everyone who's shitted on HU here, makes and knows fuck all, a has zero discipline and life accomplishments. And the rest who managed to make something of themselves, are still mostly not informed enough about the methods.

Most people don't even know the differences between affiliate marketing vs. MLM vs. pyramide scheme. These are 3 distinct, different terms.

The argument from me anyway, is not that its necessarily a scam, its more that the information just isnt really the best and there is a lot better info available for free on youtube or very cheap somewhere like udemy. HU is being sold with a backdrop of bugattis and yachts and what not this is no different to how mlms market but also how a lot of shady get rich quick people sell their courses. I dont really dislike Tate but you can even take him out of the equation and my view on it would still be the same for any course like this that is sold in this way. If someone came to me for advice as an amazon seller I definitely wouldnt advise them to get HU but there are some decent courses out there that could help you.

[Bobby_2021]

22 minutes ago, Consept said:

not that its necessarily a scam, its more that the information just isnt really the best

You don't get the value of $1000 courses with $49. 

Tate himself is extremely talented in sales and marketing. You would be insane to think that he knows nothing about what he is talking about.

I know he is talented from the tons of free content he has put there. There is a lot of value you can learn for free.

Again, he is only offering the value of a couple of cups of coffee. That's the offer. Take it or leave it. 

If he had intentions to teach you more valuable stuff, he would have charged more. But that's not being offered in HU anyway.

 

It's like complaining Mcdonald burger is shit.

Yeah, because you paying a cheap price for it.

Better things do exist, maybe even cheaply. They are just not offered here. 

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You've chosen a devil as your role-model. Good luck with that.

Nothing wrong in learning from the devil and ditching him when he has nothing left to offer. 

Edited August 27, 2022 by Bobby_2021

[zurew]

1 hour ago, KH2 said:

There's all types of people giving all types of advice on the internet. Just saying, Tate, or people similiar to him in accomplishments and mindset, seem to be the most qualified in this domain.

You can take advice from less qualified people, of course. That's your choice.

Achieving something doesn't automatically guarantee that you will be qualified enough to teach other people with completely different skills and people who are walking on a completely different path than you. A very simple example is with sports. Just because you become a world champion at something you won't automatically become the best teacher or won't necessarily will be equipped enough to be even a normal teacher at all.

Being a teacher of something often times requires a different skillset than achieving that very thing. Teaching vs executing.

The main achievement that should matter when it comes to picking a teacher is looking at what quality students he generates/creates. Thats how one should judge how good that particular teacher is. If the success rate is very high, when you look at that particular teacher, then you can confidently say, that what he/she teaches and how he/she teaches is effective and informative and its working.

 

Simply check how Andrew became wealthy (what methods he used [creating a cam girl business and creating a casino business]) and then check what he teaches you and how he wants to make you rich. Those two things are not compatible, so he is not as qualified as he seems to be.

Edited August 27, 2022 by zurew

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Nothing wrong in learning from the devil and ditching him when he has nothing left to offer.

The problem with dealing with devils is: 1) they screw you, 2) they corrupt you.

[Bobby_2021]

2 minutes ago, zurew said:

 

Simply check how Andrew became wealthy (what methods he used [creating a cam girl business and creating a casino business]) and then check what he teaches you and how he wants to make you rich. Those two things are not compatible, so he is not as qualified as he seems to be.

Valid point.

That dosen't mean broke people can teach you about money either.

It's hard to find exceptional teachers. 

Ideally you must listen to a lot of people and choose the correct type of stuff that works for you. 

[zurew]

Just now, Bobby_2021 said:

It's hard to find exceptional teachers. 

Yeah unfortunately its really hard and the worst part is that even if I stand with my point (that one should judge a teacher based on what quality students he/she generates), its easy nowadays to generate fake testimonials and fake reviews.

3 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Ideally you must listen to a lot of people and choose the correct type of stuff that works for you. 

Yeah, agreed.

[Consept]

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

You don't get the value of $1000 courses with $49. 

Tate himself is extremely talented in sales and marketing. You would be insane to think that he knows nothing about what he is talking about.

I know he is talented from the tons of free content he has put there. There is a lot of value you can learn for free.

Again, he is only offering the value of a couple of cups of coffee. That's the offer. Take it or leave it. 

If he had intentions to teach you more valuable stuff, he would have charged more. But that's not being offered in HU anyway.

 

It's like complaining Mcdonald burger is shit.

Yeah, because you paying a cheap price for it.

Better things do exist, maybe even cheaply. They are just not offered here. 

@KH2

Its $50 a month though not just a one off.

The overall point im making though is that hes presenting a certain lifestyle to sell the course, the implication being that if you buy my course you can live this lifestyle, this is just not the case, he himself didnt make the money he made doing what he teaches, hes even got a section where hes teaching crypto, if you had got the course at the start of the year and invested into crypto because of it you wouldve lost half your money. Tate as has been said, has made his money through camgirls and casinos and this course itself, its a hustle because hes selling the lifestyle to you but its a bait and switch hes not actually teaching you what he did because the hard reality is not everyone can do what he did, but everyone can have a go doing dropshipping. 

So using your mcdonalds analogy its like mcdonalds advertising a massive $100 tomahawk steak for $5 in their adverts but then when you go in and buy it, its just some floppy, anemic looking burger, whilst the owner is eating the tomahawk funded by all the people who bought the $5 burger. You might make yourself feel better by saying 'ah well it was only $5' but obviously theres more going on than that. 

[thisintegrated]

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

@thisintegrated Lol. What @Raptorsin7 said is accurate. Tate has debunked all of these points, and his explanations sound way more probable than what these sensationalistic headlines are trying to paint him as.

Carl is a Tate supporter??

[UpperMaster]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The problem with dealing with devils is: 1) they screw you, 2) they corrupt you.

You haven't explained why you think Andrew Tate is a devil. On what ground do you make your claims man?

Edited August 27, 2022 by UpperMaster

[Tyler Robinson]

22 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

Carl is a Tate supporter??

Exactly. I'm like wtf!!!!!!! 

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Consept said:

hes even got a section where hes teaching crypto, if you had got the course at the start of the year and invested into crypto because of it you wouldve lost half your money.

He still plays around with crypto and makes money during crypto pumps. He does make money from crypto.

He had dozens of businesses that failed before the webcam business became a success. 

He does have a web cam course. He explains all the steps in how to get girls to strip to the camera, the paper work etc to make it work. I even watched it for free. Most probably HU members have access to it. 

The thing is there is a lot of stuff happening in HU. You were told by youtubers that put clickbaity titles the only thing going on there is affiliate marketing. 

Tate's casio buisness operates at a net loss. He dosen't make money from that as far as I can tell at the moment. 

1 hour ago, Consept said:

Its $50 a month though not just a one off.

The point is that if you don't make money the first you can leave instantly. You will only lose $50 then. You have to stay only if you can cover the fee the initial month itself. He atleast promises instant money and support which a lot of scammers do not. So it's results oriented. 

1 hour ago, Consept said:

hustle because hes selling the lifestyle to you but its a bait and switch hes not actually teaching you what he did because the hard reality is not everyone can do what he did, but everyone can have a go doing dropshipping. 

Obviously you won't reach that kind of lifestyle. He is presenting that as proof of work. He needs that to be the masculine role model he presents himself to be. 

By the time he explains his business idea which made him millions, others might have hopped onto it, and the market would have saturated. So making money is always a new endeavor. 

At the end of that day he is obligated to pay the value of $49/mo in my opinion.

To expect his lifestyle and buggatis after paying the money for a few cups of coffee is putting unreal expectations. 

The larger point is that the skills gained in hu will help you build wealth in the long run. 

33 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

Carl is a Tate supporter??

You don't have to be a supporter or a fan to think rationally and critically through a topic, or to see the legitimacy of his work or what he says. 

All you guys flock like sheep, into believing click bait media headlines and fake allegations and categorises everyone else as "less developed"  deluded Tate fans.

Tate himself had close relationships with 500+ women and none of them had a problem with him. Not a single case of misbehaviour or criminal activity. 

It's too easy to see that you guys are motivated by hate and outrage. 

Edited August 27, 2022 by Bobby_2021

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, thisintegrated said:

Carl is a Tate supporter??

Dispelling false information makes me a supporter? I'm disappointed in you.

[Tyler Robinson]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

Dispelling false information makes me a supporter? I'm disappointed in you.

He escaped to Romania to escape charges. 

 

[Carl-Richard]

8 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

He escaped to Romania to escape charges. 

You make it sound like the police was hunting him down. He said he moved because there is generally a lower chance to be falsely accused of rape. There is no #MeToo hysteria there.

[Tyler Robinson]

@Carl-Richard

This is the truth of Andrew Tate. He has violent ideas about women. 

 

[Carl-Richard]

3 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

This is the truth of Andrew Tate. He has violent ideas about women. 

Ok.

[Tyler Robinson]

 

@Raptorsin7 do you need a refund?

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