Andrew tates final message

[Ry4n]

1 hour ago, Tyler Robinson said:

If you want to strawman then we can end this argument. I simply gave you an example of how women don't always speak to authority.

Yes and I'm saying it's a bad example because Andrew Tate is not as powerful, nowhere near so, and the public opinion would support people coming out unlike your examples. Of course in those instances women can't speak out as much, just like children can't speak out as much, however not every rich man has the power of Epstein and so simply giving an example that is an outlier doesn't really actually say anything at all. You cannot do anything with that information/example because it is an outlier.

Tate is not as powerful, all women have the power to speak up in this particular situation, and yet none are when they really seriously should. Case in point.

Edited August 24, 2022 by Ry4n

[Bobby_2021]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Does he endorse beating women?

Noone will ever openly endorse that. Certainly not Tate.

He replied "wifey" to this post from his anonymous twitter account(now banned). It's obviously done in a playful way. Only That's how far he goes. 

[Bobby_2021]

Just now, Bobby_2021 said:

Noone will ever openly endorse that. Certainly not Tate.

He replied "wifey" to this post from his anonymous twitter account(now banned). It's obviously done in a playful way. Only That's how far he goes. 

If you really have an intention to understand Tate, then you need to listen to hours of his podcasts from his YouTube channels.

• Tate Confidential 
• TateSpeech 

I heard that they were taken down recently. Everyone else is just loading their own baggage of hate onto him, instead of rationally evaluating what he is saying as a person. 

[Leo Gura]

He's def running a marketing grift on young men, and he exhibits toxic masculinity akin to that commonly found in the pickup and Red Pill community. Nothing new here. Well, now his grift has backfired on him. Pretty soon he will be forgotten like Tai Lopez.

[Danioover9000]

 

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't see any beating here.

He sure sounds like an asshole though.

Then again, couples in dysfunctional relationships fight all the time, case in point, Johnny Depp v Amber Heard. It's not really our job to adjudicate that or cancel people for fighting. I consider that his private life. I am more interested in what he posts on his channels and what he teaches. Does he endorse beating women?

   No, Andrew Tate does not encourage beating women. The only time it seemed so, was during a marketung video of him complaining aboht his 'ex girlfriend Claire' and him mimicking a slap.

   This entire thread, despite differences in development, reeks of drama and stage red shadow repression. It's a similar reaction when Mr. Girl one time discusses his past relationship with his Mom nearly sexually abusing him, and his relationship with his ex GF and furrent GF. Most people seem like they are not reqdy to hear that, and would rather dramatize than actually engage with the perskn in question.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

This entire thread, despite differences in development, reeks of drama and stage red shadow repression.

Except Tate does say misogynistic stuff and his philosophy will indoctrinate foolish young men into behaving unethically towards women.

This reminds me of the kind of toxic stuff RSD used to do back in the 2014-2016 era -- all of which they had to take down. Apparently Tate didn't learn the lesson from the 2016-era crackdown on toxic pickup content. If he was wiser he would understand that such content is no longer tolerated on major platforms.

Old school RSD content was very helpful for guys, but it was also toxic and unethical towards women. Your sex life and pocket book are not the only factors here. That's what Tate's followers don't understand. Mainstream society cannot allow toxic misogynistic ideologies to go viral, no matter how many men is might help. Because men are only 50% of society.

[Danioover9000]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He's def running a marketing grift on young men, and he exhibits toxic masculinity akin to that commonly found in the pickup and Red Pill community. Nothing new here. Well, now his grift has backfired on him. Pretty soon he will be forgotten like Tai Lopez.

   Tai Lopez! The Lamborghini guy, and the guy that memed 'more knowledge'!

    At least he encouraged people to buy more books, besides whatever scheme he was selling.

[Scholar]

I think people like Andrew Tate will keep emerging, because stage green has demonized stage orange to such an extent, that no healthy manifestation of stage orange is even allowed.

There is a reason why people like him are popular, and as long as you ignore that reason you'll be playing Whac-A-Mole.

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Scholar said:

that no healthy manifestation of stage orange is even allowed.

Healthy Orange is very allowed. The problem is that Orange too easily goes off the rails into the unhealthy.

Tate could easily have taught men how to be "alpha" without all the toxic stuff.

I did a pretty Orange set of How To Get Laid videos and I got very little flack for it, because it was done in a healthy Orange way with concern for ethics.

The problem with all these male dating coaches is that they are fundamentally unethical people. They don't care about ethics at all. And when this backfires on them, they wonder why society hates them. Well, you can't scale unethical behavior for long. Which is fundamentally Tate's problem.

Toxic Orange is just overwhelming in the dating advice and business advice communities. Which is always what I've hated about those communities. Because otherwise there's good info there, but it's befogged by a cloud of toxicity.

People like Tate will keep emerging because most guys are stuck at crude levels of Orange development and below. Tate isn't just the perpetrator of low development, he's also a victim of it. He doesn't know any better, neither do his young foolish clients or his women.

[Scholar]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Healthy Orange is very allowed. The problem is that Orange too easily goes off the rails into the unhealthy.

Tate could easily have taught men how to be "alpha" without all the toxic stuff.

I did a pretty Orange set of How To Get Laid videos and I got very little flack for it, because it was done in a healthy Orange way with concern for ethics.

The problem with all these male dating coaches is that are fundamentally unethical people. They don't care about ethics at all. And when this backfires on them, they wonder why society hates them. Well, you can't scale unethical behavior for long.

You got no flack for it because you are not popular. If we got some stage green people to watch your video, and if they thought you were actually influential, I'm pretty sure you'd get a lot of backlash for that.

Jordan Peterson is a good example, he is giving people basically a good foundation for stage blue and orange. But because of the values that system comes with, people reacted against him which lead to him equally reacting back against them.

 

Why do you think Trump and Andrew Tate are so popular? It's just coincidence? There is a clear lack of healthy stage orange in the current Zeitgeist. You are not part of the Zeitgeist, most stage orange people will look at you and cringe. You do not appeal to those people anymore nearly as much as what is needed to get people up the spiral.

 

To me what we are observing is clearly an ego backlash, the way we are trying to transition into green is simply not sustainable and healthy, and the ideologies emergent due to the changed social dynamics on the internet do not allow for healthy evolution.

 

Edited August 24, 2022 by Scholar

[integral]

5 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

@Ry4n here's the video. 

 

this is a recording of a sexual kink, they both consented to it, it's a pretty common role-play. that's the excuse they made. or this is taken from a porno he made.

Edited August 24, 2022 by integral

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Scholar said:

You got no flack for it because you are not popular. If we got some stage green people to watch your video, and if they thought you were actually influential, I'm pretty sure you'd get a lot of backlash for that.

I doubt it.

Although of course with more popularity come more haters.

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Jordan Peterson is a good example, he is giving people basically a good foundation for stage blue and orange. But because of the values that system comes with that kind of system, people reacted against him which lead to him equally reacting back against them.

Peterson is deeply political though and brings it on. He's got such bad political arguments that it just triggers the hell out of anyone Green and above. If he didn't get all political he would be loved by 99% of people I think. And he deliberately plays into the culture wars to get clicks and views. Otherwise no one would care or know about him.

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Why do you think Trump and Andrew Tate are so popular? It's just coincidence?

Obviously not. They manipulated their way to the top by exploiting the unconscious weaknesses of the ignorant masses.

These guys are experts at exploiting the ego-mind's basest impulses. Which is the only way to get so popular without creating anything of genuine value.

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To me what we are observing is clearly an ego backlash, the way we are trying to transition into green is simply not sustainable and healthy

Yeah, well, an ego will not be awoken but rudely. So here we are.

[Scholar]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

I doubt it.

Although of course with more popularity come more haters.

If Hasan or Vaush watched your video they would call you an incel.

 

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Peterson is deeply political though and brings it on. He's got such bad political arguments that it just triggers the hell out of anyone Green and above. He is didn't get all political he would be loved my 98% of people I think.

But that's part of what stage orange desires. You must agree that there are some unhealthy, runaway manifestations of stage green going on. Just look at what happened to Vaush lately, it's just pure cancer. If you are progressive, you can't criticize any of progressive ideas as long as they are framed in a way in which, if you do, you might possibly be a bigot. This dynamic is happening and it is extremely unhealthy, and that's what stage orange is reacting against, which of course leads to further division and extremes on both sides.

 

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Obviously not. They manipulated their way to the top by exploiting the unconscious weaknesses of the ignorant masses.

These guys are experts at exploiting the ego-mind's bases impulses. Which is how they get so popular.

This is not systems thinking. You can't just assert "Ah he was good at manipulationg therefore he was able to exploit everyones ignorance!".

I'm actually surprised that you would say something like that. Because the obvious question would be: Why are they capable of doing so today? What makes it so people are ignorant and unconscious? Your answer has no explanatory power because master manipulators always existed, yet this phenomena is clearly different on multiple levels.

They get popular precisely because of the landscape of the time, and that is related to spiral dynamics. They are exploiting the dynamics, they don't give rise to them.

 

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yeah, well, an ego will not be awoken but rudely.

Social media algorithms are doing a lot of damage here and it's not necessarily the case that we can just break through that, without changing the systems first.

[Harikrishnan]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Obviously not. They manipulated their way to the top by exploiting the unconscious weaknesses of the ignorant masses.

These guys are experts at exploiting the ego-mind's basest impulses. Which is the only way to get so popular without creating anything of genuine value.

 

But leo, is trump and tate doing this consciously? Like manipulating people or are they also doing it unconsciously and if so does they need this much hate from yellow and above?

[Raptorsin7]

The guy is also a grammy level music producer in his meantime. What a legend.

[Tyler Robinson]

20 minutes ago, integral said:

this is a recording of a sexual kink, they both consented to it, it's a pretty common role-play. that's the excuse they made. or this is taken from a porno he made.

Hmm. I don't think that it looks okay as a sexual kink. He says vile stuff. But his other stuff is not good either. Much of the misogynistic stuff is toxic. Why are people so desperate to have him as a role model when he isn't healthy with his opinion 

[Nilsi]

34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The problem with all these male dating coaches is that they are fundamentally unethical people. They don't care about ethics at all. And when this backfires on them, they wonder why society hates them. Well, you can't scale unethical behavior for long. Which is fundamentally Tate's problem.

You don't care about ethics, yet I can watch you and learn something from you. You are playing into the culture wars as well with all your strawmanning of everything that is not Green or above. 

[Leo Gura]

30 minutes ago, Scholar said:

If Hasan or Vaush watched your video they would call you an incel.

They are man-children.

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You must agree that there are some unhealthy, runaway manifestations of stage green going on.

Of course

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They are exploiting the dynamics, they don't give rise to them.

That's what I said. But by exploiting them they are popularizing toxic stuff. It's like seducing a fat person on a diet with junk food.

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Social media algorithms are doing a lot of damage here and it's not necessarily the case that we can just break through that, without changing the systems first.

Algorithms themselves are corrupted by the Orange drive to maximize profits and clicks. Which are then exploited by grifters like Tate.

13 minutes ago, Loba said:

Honestly, all I have to see is people like this sort who post here and on Youtube to know the human race is a lost cause.  Go home, die and stop breeding already.  Just let go, realize you suck along with everyone else and stop trying.  It's all been done.  Just leave.  Exit.

Please spare us your jaded nihilism.

[Raptorsin7]

@KH2 Yeah this forum has a collective toxic energy.

If you go on a retreat you get pulled into a higher conscious energy. This forum is the opposite.

[Leo Gura]

If you think this forum is toxic, you really haven't been around the internet.