Is it safe to order Magic Truffles from the Netherlands to Germany?

[The Mystical Man]

Has anyone tried this? Any problems with customs?

 

[OBEler]

@The Mystical Man yes me. Total save because it is legal 

[The Mystical Man]

21 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@The Mystical Man yes me. Total save because it is legal 

As far as I know, it is not legal. Truffles aren't legal anywhere, except in the Netherlands.

Edited August 18, 2022 by The Mystical Man

[OBEler]

@The Mystical Man @The Mystical Man no you are wrong. It is legal since 2019. Magic Truffles (not shrooms) are classified as stimulants like coffee in netherlands. Netherlands is Part of EU. And what is valid for one eu country is valid for every other too. So this rule is also valid for germany. 

You can buy it and even consume it without any trouble

Edited August 18, 2022 by OBEler

[The Mystical Man]

21 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@The Mystical Man @The Mystical Man no you are wrong. It is legal since 2019. Magic Truffles (not shrooms) are classified as stimulants like coffee in netherlands. Netherlands is Part of EU. And what is valid for one eu country is valid for every other too. So this rule is also valid for germany. 

You can buy it and even consume it without any trouble

It's difficult to find a conclusive answer, but according to this lawyer, you're wrong:

"Es ist aber ein Trugschluss, dass aufgrund des gemeinsamen EU-Binnenmarktes damit automatisch eine Legalisierung in allen anderen Staaten der Europäischen Union und der Europäischen Freihandelszone (EFTA) verbunden ist. In Deutschland gilt weiterhin die bisherige Rechtslage und damit das Verbot nach dem Betäubungsmittelgesetz. Cannabis ist – bis jetzt – in Deutschland auch nicht legal, nur weil es in Holland bis zu einer bestimmten Menge frei gehandelt werden darf."

[OBEler]

@The Mystical Man the lawyer dont know the laws. 

 

Magic Truffle is a consumer good and not a drug. Btmg law can only applied for drugs. A consumer good therefore cannot Fall under btmg

Edited August 19, 2022 by OBEler

[The Mystical Man]

21 hours ago, OBEler said:

@The Mystical Man the lawyer dont know the laws. 

 

Magic Truffle is a consumer good and not a drug. Btmg law can only applied for drugs. A consumer good therefore cannot Fall under btmg

You know the law better than a lawyer who focuses on BtMG?

[OBEler]

@The Mystical Man Can you bring an argument against what I said or trust blindly something written on the internet by a stupid lawyer?

And what the lawyer said was right before 2019. Do you really think he will update everything on his internet site when the laws change? Why he even need to do that? He lives from the fear of people doing something wrong. If you do something legal, you do not need a lawyer.

And his argument is total wrong, he compares cannabis with magic truffle. The one thing is a drug, the other thing is a consumer good. That are different categories and for different categories exist different laws. And dont tell me in magic truffle is psilocybin, which is illegal to consume. In Muscatnus is also myristicin and the BTMG cannot be applied, because this is not classified as a drug.

Edited August 20, 2022 by OBEler

[The Mystical Man]

2 hours ago, OBEler said:

Can you bring an argument against what I said or trust blindly something written on the internet by a stupid lawyer?

 

 

This is an interesting link.

[OBEler]

@The Mystical Man  ok Thanks, He arguments that all organism which contain psilocybin is forbidden . But he doesnt contradict the Argument of the Single market principle. 

 

Here is a link,  look for answer from Passthor:

"Diese Legalisierung hat zwei Implikationen für Deutschland, weil das "single market principle" für Lebensmittel gilt: ein "legales Lebensmittel" eines EU-Mitglieds ist automatisch in allen EU-Staaten legales Lebensmittel. Dazu gibt es als Präzendenz Red Bull und Absinth.

Solange sich Deutschland nicht explizit zu den Zaubertrüffel äußert und ggf. Beschränkungen (z.B. Abgabe ab 18 Jahren in bestimmten shops mit bestimmten Lizenzen, die aber erhältlich sein müssten) einführt, gilt die Legalisierung durch NL "frei" für die ganze EU (und EFTA), wie es bei allen Lebensmittel durchgängige Praxis ist, auch für Deutschland und die Zaubertrüffel sind de jure frei handelbar, wie Schokolade"

 

https://www.juraforum.de/forum/t/22g-psylocibe-trueffel.676654/

 

 

[The Mystical Man]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

Here is a link,  look for answer from Passthor:

"Diese Legalisierung hat zwei Implikationen für Deutschland, weil das "single market principle" für Lebensmittel gilt: ein "legales Lebensmittel" eines EU-Mitglieds ist automatisch in allen EU-Staaten legales Lebensmittel. Dazu gibt es als Präzendenz Red Bull und Absinth.

Solange sich Deutschland nicht explizit zu den Zaubertrüffel äußert und ggf. Beschränkungen (z.B. Abgabe ab 18 Jahren in bestimmten shops mit bestimmten Lizenzen, die aber erhältlich sein müssten) einführt, gilt die Legalisierung durch NL "frei" für die ganze EU (und EFTA), wie es bei allen Lebensmittel durchgängige Praxis ist, auch für Deutschland und die Zaubertrüffel sind de jure frei handelbar, wie Schokolade"

That's still not conclusive enough for me. There is no clear answer. People are sharing different opinions; they all sound plausible, but they all contradict each other. It's a tricky situation.

[OBEler]

@The Mystical Man the thread author was pursued for ordering magic Truffle at first. However they let him go. 

So no problem. As long as it is not official forbidden you can order it since it is a legal consumer good in the EU.